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Spoilers Supergirl - Season 3

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I kinda agree with the above. It's something the writers of Supergirl are NOT good at, and it comes across as pretty jarring at times. Girl Power is good, but they can only seem to do it by putting down or making the men look weak (usually). Livewire's line this week took me totally out of the episode for a second, so dumb and out of left field. Didn't even have a reason to say it, just dropped that and moved on.

It's the thing that Wonder Woman got so right, and Supergirl sucks at. Women can be strong/good/role models in their own right without having to trash everyone else in the process. They didn't have to make Steve any less to make Diana good, they were BOTH strong in their own ways. You get to equality by, you know, both sides being equals. Not by just flipping the roles and bashing the other side.

Supergirl can't seem to handle this, and has to weaken every other character to let Girl Power shine through. Concept is all well and good, execution is pretty poor at times. Livewire's line was subpar even for their own low bar...
 
Perfect example, thanks. Although too subtle for the SG writers ;)

To hone in on the latest problem, though, why DID Livewire suddenly have such an issue with men?

-She lost her job because of Kat

-She was defeated by Supergirl

-Reign is killing her friends and drove her into hiding with a job she hates

Are MEN really her problem?
 
Scout101 said:
I kinda agree with the above. It's something the writers of Supergirl are NOT good at, and it comes across as pretty jarring at times. Girl Power is good, but they can only seem to do it by putting down or making the men look weak (usually)
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I've never gotten that impression at all. I don't see any characters of any gender being "trashed" or "put down." That's the last thing Supergirl is about. Kara and Alex are happy working for a male authority figure, and have encouraged him to embrace who he is, supported him in his reunion with his father, etc. Cat Grant put James Olsen, who was merely a photojournalist before, in charge of her whole corporation, and he's proven successful in that role while also becoming a superhero in his own right. Winn started out as an insecure tech geek, but he was the very first person Kara took into her confidence and she relied on him and James to support her as Supergirl in the early days. Winn would subsequently earn a place at the DEO as well as earning the respect of Cat and Lena through his technical brilliance. Mon-El started out as a dissolute party boy, but Kara saw and nurtured the potential in him to be more, helping him grow into a man worthy of being loved and worthy of being a hero. Consistently, the men on this show are treated with respect and encouragement by the women around them, which has enabled them to bring out the best in themselves and become more than they were. That is what Supergirl is about.

(Yes, Livewire trashes men, but she trashes everybody. She's a shock jock turned supervillain -- what did you expect? And don't forget, Cat fired her because of her misogynistic attacks on Supergirl.)
 
"Superman killed Zod?" Ugh, I wish Winn hadn't said that. In season 1, Kara repeatedly stressed that Superman didn't kill, which was a nice repudiation of Snyder's take on the character. Now, they're basically implying that Man of Steel, or equivalent events, happened in the show's universe.

And why didn't Kara change to Supergirl before flying Lena to the DEO? We saw in season 1, in the episode with the earthquake, that even in the time-sensitive situation of needing to catch a falling elevator, she had time to quick-change into Supergirl. Also, why didn't she have the presence of mind to bring the coffee cup so Alex could identify the poison? And why not just take her to a hospital?

And if Sam is a genetically enhanced Kryptonian, why does her internal anatomy as revealed by the MRI look human to Alex, who's probably the most qualified person on Earth to spot the signs? And why are there no alien elements in her blood sample?

Edge's way of escaping from the speeding car through the trunk was clever, but I think that hitting pavement at that speed would still cause a lot of damage.
 
Supergirl--
"For Good"

Kara/SG: Incredibly naïve regarding all things Lena.

Reign/Samantha: "All Ruby has is me." I hope this is not the series way of saying she will be killed off, so Alex can get a convenient family of her own.

Morgan Edge: He's finally becoming interesting as a villain...only to be carted off to the can. One would hope this goes somewhere--like his being visited in prison by...

James & Lena: Edge's "I don't have to kill you Lena. You're already dead" screamed the set up for her to be a real Luthor. Just waiting for that to be the axe in her "relationship" with James. Of note: James believing she's never retaliated against Edge, and her suspicious look away. That's all but teasing his feeling like a fool for ever dropping his mistrust of anyone with the name Luthor.

Her "maybe you don't know what I am" to Kara was a red flag the size of Alaska, but her true intentions are masked by playing the "friend" card with Kara, but this series loves stretching things out.

Finally, James is back in a bit of action, but the shooting of the poison coffee guy before he could be questioned reminds me Star Wars: Attack of the Clones, when of Jango Fett killed Zam Wesell before being forced to answer Kenobi's questions.

Yeah, James might be angry, but threatening Edge as the Guardian? Foolish. Now the Guardian is a target.

Lillian Luthor: "Why would you want to be Cat Grant?" Obviously, she knows Lena's buying the company is smoke and mirrors for some other end game. Please send Lillian's suit bac to the Iron Man movies.

Mon-El: Enough of the "will they/won't they" with Kara. Her playing any part in breaking up his marriage would be a new low for this series.

J'onn: "there is great power being the calm in the center of the storm." We get the political message, but no one behind the scenes of this series really believes in that, considering the kneejerk need to bite, bite, bite at everything they despise through their various shows.

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Interesting reference to Superman killing Zod...who managed to survive in the 30th century.

Mon-El gives a shout out to Computo to all the old-school Legion fans.

Man Hatin' Statements of the Week: Lillian's "You followed my breadcrumbs. More quickly that your brother would have" and Lena's "you've always been afraid of powerful women". along with other lines. Again, this series' agenda is not going to hold up to analysis in the near future.

The "big" fight FX...terrible as always.

GRADE: C
 
Christopher said:
"Superman killed Zod?" Ugh, I wish Winn hadn't said that. In season 1, Kara repeatedly stressed that Superman didn't kill, which was a nice repudiation of Snyder's take on the character. Now, they're basically implying that Man of Steel, or equivalent events, happened in the show's universe.
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Yeah, I'm kind of curious why they went there. I feel like this show's writers and producers are sufficiently knowledgeable about these characters' history and fandom that they had to know that was a controversial choice, and that they made it consciously.
 
The Realist said:
Yeah, I'm kind of curious why they went there. I feel like this show's writers and producers are sufficiently knowledgeable about these characters' history and fandom that they had to know that was a controversial choice, and that they made it consciously.
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Maybe it was reference to Superman II. :p
 
Superman never killing is an unrealistic ideology that doesn't hold up to reality, as sometimes it's necessary to kill in order to save others' lives.
 
DigificWriter said:
Superman never killing is an unrealistic ideology that doesn't hold up to reality, as sometimes it's necessary to kill in order to save others' lives.
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Yeah, because its not like being maybe unrealistically good, as an example of what to live up to, is a big part of Superman. Next you'll tell me that flying and super strength aren't realistic aspects of the character, either. Maybe being realistic doesn't always mean anything for a Superhero. Maybe sometimes the hero is bigger then reality. If I can believe a man can fly, I sure as hell can believe that the same guy can solve his problems without murder. If you want to be "realistic", don't go looking for Superman stories. Or Wonder Woman stories, Batman stories, Green Lantern stories, Aquaman stories, etc.
 
Knowing when killing may be necessary and being willing to take that step doesn't make someone "less" good.

Also, Wonder Woman has killed people in the comics, most notably Maxwell Lord.
 
Or perhaps Winn is just mistaken and Superman didn't actually kill Zod, it's just everyone thinks he did (hence him being alive in the future. ) Or as in 'Superman II', Zod basically killed himself after being outwitted.
 
This episode made a big deal of telling us how smart and calculating Lena is, how she thinks several moves ahead, even better than Lex could. I suspect that Lena might be playing some type of long game towards something. She might even know Supergirl's true identity but purposely keeping her cards close to the vest, as they say.
 
I don't know what more evidence people need before they'll accept that Lena is never going to turn evil on this show, but it's continually frustrating for me as an audience member and fan of the character and Katie McGrath.
 
DigificWriter said:
I don't know what more evidence people need before they'll accept that Lena is never going to turn evil on this show, but it's continually frustrating for me as an audience member and fan of the character and Katie McGrath.
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Well, the episode did a great job of showing that Lena is the best of both worlds. She has all the cunning, calculating, intelligence of a Luthor but does not share the evil ambition. She is basically a "good Luthor". So, no, I don't think she will turn into a mustache twirling villain. It is very possible that she will actually use her intelligence and resources at Lex Corp to help Supergirl even more. Honestly, I think it would be a shame if the writers turned her evil. It would ruin her character. But at the same, I think she does have a plan, just not an evil plan.
 
DigificWriter said:
Superman never killing is an unrealistic ideology that doesn't hold up to reality, as sometimes it's necessary to kill in order to save others' lives.
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Riiiiight, because an invulnerable, human-appearing alien who can defy gravity is sooo realistic...

And it's not about your personal ideology, because you're not the one making the show. It's about the fact that the current writers have contradicted something that the previous seasons of the show established explicitly and repeatedly. And in the context of a throwaway line that served no story purpose at all, making it gratuitous and easily avoidable.

Not to mention that the whole thematic thrust of this episode was about Lena refusing to accept that "sometimes it's necessary to kill," so it was pretty thoughtless on the writers' part to stick in a throwaway reference to a story that directly undermines that theme.
 
Hey Supergirl writers, thanks for bringing that argument back, as if it doesn't come up on its own often enough. ;)
 
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