So, same stuff, but now with 12 more mins of whinning?
1: That must have hurt them
2: How many mins did they spend explaining that?
Discovery Size Argument™ thread
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So, same stuff, but now with 12 more mins of whinning?
1: That must have hurt them
2: How many mins did they spend explaining that?
Not really.
It woyld have based off what I saw before i stopped careing about what Trekyards had to say.
Press quotes are meaningless. It's the final product that matters and the final product showed very, very little from the Klingon Perspective beyond the pilot.
Kol was as generic of a villain as any in the the franchise. They even threw in the "disrespect the fallen comrade" trope in his last episode.
Probably will. I certainly don't think every Klingon thread will be tied up either.
Well, yeah. It's been a while since Star Trek was on. I'm assuming the remarks relate strictly to the original series, as I believe the interview was about how Discovery will fit in as a prequel to TOS.
If we included the other series, the comments wouldn't make sense, as the Klingons were the good guys in those shows.
If we included the other series, the comments wouldn't make sense, as the Klingons were the good guys in those shows.
Sure, Tyler is a Klingon (sort of, we'll see how that ends up), but the one thing he doesn't really have is perspective. His perspective was wiped from his memory. He got it back long enough to have a Klingon-esque outburst of stupid aggression, and then it (maybe?) got taken away yet again via Klingon brain magic surgury. He's an interesting character (due mostly to Shazad Latif really selling Tyler's pathos), but he says nothing about the Klingon because he can't even say much about himself. He's the plot's punching bag...which TBH is in the finest tradition of the Worf Effect.
Movieverse vs Discovery
The Shenzhou doesn't look so big anymore(1 pixel=1 meter)
God I know treading old ground here, but jesus why in hell are the Kelvin/Disco ships so massive. The Enterprise 1701 may look tiny here, but in real life, it's larger than a modern aircraft carrier that carries 2600 crew.
There is no reason for Disco and Kelvin ships to be so big. The size of the Galaxy at least makes more sense because it's designed to essentially be a city in space and originally was supposed to have a crew in the thousands and thousands.
Longer, yes. Larger? Maybe not. No crew in the pylons or nacelles, no space for anything but observation rooms in the neck. Engineering full of machinery and everyone living in the saucer.
I'm pretty sure they start with sets sized by whatever budget they can afford (which meant massive beer brewery and power plant locations for the Enterprise and Kelvin engine rooms, and a HUGE bridge for the USS Discovery) and scale the rest from there.
TNG never "felt" as big to me on the interior as the classic movie Enterprise because they modified and reused the same sets. We got no looks down endless warp engine shafts or glimpses at massive rec rooms in TNG.
The sick bay as well. But as we know, the Galaxy was supposed to have basically a fully functioning hospital deck.
I always liked how this actually showed the scale of a Galaxy Class ship
I'm not sure the bridge of the Discovery is actually that huge. It's hard to say without seeing the actual set construction diagrams. There's more open space than the TOS bridge but that doesn't mean it's necessarily that much bigger physically. After all the TNG bridge seems really big thanks to its open sides and how it's shot, but it's only slightly larger than the movie bridge in actual dimensions.
[How] is that not about the Klingons? Because that's the story is about *one* Klingon, not *the* Klingon*s* we were promsied.
A side of a war is more than one person's experience. Saying Tyler counts as the Klingon perspective is even more reductivist than all those monoculture planets from Berman Trek.
I mean, did we even get a good look at the Federation side of the war? A little? Look, I actually like how much more personal and intimate Discovery has been. It's a nice change up for the franchise. It's just not what we were sold. Which, fine, plans change and I don't mind as long as the product is good and everyone is honest about what's happened.
So let's be honest: we did not get the big multifaceted war story. We got something else which has been interesting on its own terms.
It does have pylons. It's not like the nacelles are sticking straight out of the engineering "bulge". They're just really thick and may or may not have decks within them. We don't see any windows on the leading or trailing edges, so it may be uninhabited space used for tankage, seldomly access equipment, or simply voids left in the design for future expansion.
Counterpoint: Why the Constitution "so small"? The 4th wall breaking reason is that Jeffries wanted something in the real world to compare to, so he picked the biggest ships in the world at the time. There's specific cost, capability and logistical reasons why the US settled on 1,100 foot long supercarriers. By comparison, there is no clear reason, in universe, as to why the Federation would settle on 1,000 feet for this class of ship or any other.
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