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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x12 - "Vaulting Ambition"

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I can totally see that. He is the Sean Bean/Ned Stark character. A big name to lure viewers in but with a limited time on the show

Well, its possible. But like i said , he stirs this show all together. To take him out I think would be detrimental to the show, to the fanbase, and to the number of people watching it over the long term. I feel it would be a bad idea. It will be a lot more fun to have prime lorca or at least MU lorca trying to "do good" back in the prime universe as Captain with a huge secret (which could lead to future mirror shows).
 
A bit better than the last 2. Still not great.
STD must be the most predictable TV show ever made. :)
Maybe today's audiences are just smarter and can spot the teases more clearly and jump to the correct conclusions faster than before. Though even knowing, or being aware of theories, in advance, doesn't mean the journey & ultimate reveals can't still be rewarding.

Ugh...please don't rekindle Tyler-Burnham, that being the case. :barf:
I think even if Tyler's personality is restored, he'll be in no medical or physical condition to continue serving in Starfleet right now. Which would be a shame if we lost both of Shazad's characters on the show. And what of L'Rell? I'd hate to lose her character as well!

Jonathan Frakes was on after trek. Worth watching for those who haven't seen it.
It was weird that they didn't have him on after the episode he directed, but I guess he was still on the oft-mentioned Trek Cruise. :D

Wait, AfterTrek airs on TV here? I've been watching it on the website this whole time.
Yeah, SPACE airs the first encore of Disco at 11pm, I think, then AfterTrek airs right after.
 
I would like to see Tyler not be free of Voq personality and memories. But having both merged where he can draw from the experiences of both people. Seems like someone that could bring peace between the factions as a hybrid human/Klingon.

And then his DNA spread through the empire - causing Klingons for a generation to look human.

Yeah, I am thinking that he or the experiments on him, will some how play a role in the TOS Klingon military appearance.
 
...It's been a very very long time since I've seen Star Trek tackle the unknown in that way.

If you look at most Star Trek episodes, the aliens are hardly strange at all, usually simply being representations and analogies of earth-like cultures. And the worlds that we visit are always the same old earth type worlds or earth parallel worlds...

The Pahvons in "Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum" were pretty alien and not reflective of Earth, and they didn't do the standard "take over the crewman" bit. I liked that stuff.
 
Quite honestly, the fact that Discovery is not just going to planet to planet and encountering humans with different looking noses and foreheads is completely refreshing to me. I'm glad they decided to show a different element of the Star Trek universe rather than retreading the same exact things they've done 730 other times

I never said that I wanted Discovery to just go from planet to planet every week, meeting aliens with bad forehead prosthetics. In fact, the episode Si Vis Pacem is a perfect example of what I am talking about. In that episode, the crew explores a strange new world, and meets a strange new alien, but it is not done in a campy way. So, it can be done without resorting to the campy and tired formula of "going planet to planet, meeting cheesy aliens with weird foreheads".
 
This is way too many mirror universe episodes. It seems like writers of this show never wrote a show before. They leave things unresolved while they continue to add new "plot twists" in every episode.
And I will say it again, there is too much blood, brains, guts on the floor, body pieces... I never wanted Star Trek to realistically show human being murdered.

What fascinated me about Star Trek was that there really never was violence in it. I mean, there was, but it was toned down and it appeared like two kittens fighting. Yes, they are hitting each other, but they are not doing any harm. Like, Borg beams on the bridge and takes Picard and knocks out Riker. His eyeballs are not hanging out, his nose is not broken, he is not missing any teeth...

And with Discovery I feel worse after seeing all that violence and darkness. There is no more hope. We are going to increasingly depressed things.
 
Back to the episode...

Is it possible that Lorca's plan is to kill the Emperor, take over the Charon, and conquor not just the MU, but also the PU? Why rule one empire when you can rule two? Surely the Charon's firepower is unmatched anywhere in the MU or in regular Starfleet. Fitted out with a spore drive, it becomes invincible.
 
Oh please TNG did the EXACT SAME THING! How many times did the mission to research Nebula X get interrupted by a ship in distress, Q, a unknown spatial anomoly, Klingons, Romulan, Borg, et al. and that situation became the focus of a given episode?

So? I am not disputing that the ship could get distracted from its primary mission from time time. But there were still plenty of episodes where Picard and Co did meet strange new aliens and/or explored interesting scifi ideas. The episode "Nth Degree" is a great example of that.

Not to mention Picard, on finding an alien society held practices or beliefs he didn't agree with started lecturing on how enlightened/advanced and ultimately the BEST way - was the FEDERATION way? Yeah, way to 'explore' other cultures - by telling them they're WRONG to live the way they do!]:)

Yeah, that always irritated me. TNG did indeed get very preachy.
 
That was great, but another fucking cliffhanger! Also noticeably shorter this week.

That said, two Rapps? Not seeing a downside. Oh, wait, so is Culber - and by implication everybody who ever dies - now a Force ghost in the mycelial afterlife?
 
Back to the episode...

Is it possible that Lorca's plan is to kill the Emperor, take over the Charon, and conquor not just the MU, but also the PU? Why rule one empire when you can rule two? Surely the Charon's firepower is unmatched anywhere in the MU or in regular Starfleet. Fitted out with a spore drive, it becomes invincible.

Why stop there? If you have a giant-ass ship fitted with a spore drive, you can look for the "best of all universes" to conquer.
 
9/10
-Though I kinda pity Memory Alpha guys... Every episode Lorca showed up is now part of MU arc.
- I liked Maddox putting back "Mad" into his name. BTW, might it be sort of reference to "Measurment of Man?"
- Mirrorca is such a hard-ass. Let that guy brutally executed instead of saying Maddox´s sister name to anger him and to not ruin the surprise early, I guess.
- Also, the guy seems to suffer a lot from black fever. Can´t say I blame him.
- Looking for more Stamets goodness.
 
Maybe today's audiences are just smarter and can spot the teases more clearly and jump to the correct conclusions faster than before.

No, it's just that most people just don't sit around on message boards, talking to each other, being forensic detectives about most TV shows. I didn't see any twist about this show coming (except Gregoriou being the Emperor) and I'm a pretty smart cookie. Why? I wasn't looking for it.

Look, I'm not saying these reveals have been expertly hidden. It's just that I also haven't delved into this show behind-the-scenes and poured over every detail between episodes as much as I have GoT or other Trek shows. I have let it just play out I feel all the more rewarded for it. After ENT and the subsequent interaction with other fans left me utter exhausted, this has been a refreshingly positive return to episodic Trek.

By the way, I feel most of the fandom and general audience are loving this show. Discovery was trending on Twitter last night after the Lorca reveal for a long time and there was love out there. I know studios force those trends, but they can't force people to actually like it.
 
It's not an exception though, because in that case it was GRRM writing ASOIAF on the fly, rather than the showrunners. Writing a novel means you can go back and forth and tweak things. You can even write the conclusion before the introduction if you need to.
Once a novel is published, you're aren't editing it. And, GoT is based on multiple novels.
 
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