So you’re saying Woody Allen is worse then space Mussolini
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x12 - "Vaulting Ambition"
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So you’re saying Woody Allen is worse then space Mussolini
After two great episodes this one was complete and utter shit...and pedestrian at that.
Mirror Lorca. Yawn. We already knew.
Ash ending up as just Ash. Yawn. We already knew.
Culber back from the dead. Yawn. We already knew (thanks to his matter of fact death and stupid writer reveals).
Michael Burnham remains the least engaging series lead in the franchise’s history.
Still no Trek optimism and still lots of doom and gloom.
I was so hopeful at hints of Trek’s positivity before the mid season break and I was happy to enjoy the mirror episodes to date for what they were. But it’s one episode too much now and too much of this series has been given over to doom and gloom, uncalled for reinvention (Klingons), pathetic Game of Thrones aping and writing that the writers clearly think is as sophisticated as the best serialised TV and also the best of Trek itself.
The best way of putting it is the series is entertaining me as generic sci-fi but letting me down as Trek.
Mirror Lorca. Yawn. We already knew.
Ash ending up as just Ash. Yawn. We already knew.
Culber back from the dead. Yawn. We already knew (thanks to his matter of fact death and stupid writer reveals).
Michael Burnham remains the least engaging series lead in the franchise’s history.
Still no Trek optimism and still lots of doom and gloom.
I was so hopeful at hints of Trek’s positivity before the mid season break and I was happy to enjoy the mirror episodes to date for what they were. But it’s one episode too much now and too much of this series has been given over to doom and gloom, uncalled for reinvention (Klingons), pathetic Game of Thrones aping and writing that the writers clearly think is as sophisticated as the best serialised TV and also the best of Trek itself.
The best way of putting it is the series is entertaining me as generic sci-fi but letting me down as Trek.
Season 2
I don't doubt that you will keep watching.
But since Lorca has consistently polled as the most popular character, getting rid of him will not be good for ratings. You can't tick off a large section of the show's fanbase and keep your ratings good.
Not everyone watches to check off their "has my preferred identity group been represented" list. Some of us like intellectual and personality diversity within good stories.
For some odd reason, I do not trust the word of a mass murdering psychopath who eats Kelpians.
Lorca is probably a mass murderer as well.
So I guess that theory of Lorca being section 31 is also out the window.
With Lorca gone Saru is acting captain.
For some odd reason, I judge people based upon what I actually know.
There has been no evidence given that Lorca is a mass murderer. He has done heroic things numerous times so far in the past. For all we know, he is a freedom fighter trying to end the Empire's evil tyranny.
I don't think there has been a body switching:
the ISS charon Starnets, when he wakes up, says "he did it, he did it" (or something like that), and I think he was talking about RU Starnets, remember MU Starnets asked RU Starnets for help because he (MU Starnets) wasn't able to leave the mycelium.
The discovery Starnets instead says he knows od Culber and the first thing he does is checking if their mycelium is OK
And Klingons fighting with Bat'Leth makes sense.
I prefer complexity and shades of gray in my sci fi. Star Trek was never actually all that optimistic or a paradise, anyway. Kudos the Executioner happened in the Prime Universe.
Anyways, this Star trek is too à la LOST for me.
I'm thinking about MU Lorca:
First he said he can't stand bright light because of the buran accident. When he is tortured by L'rell, she said his eyes are damaged. We saw he cured his eyes to see the klingon ship destruction.
And now they say his eyes were never damaged, they are just made so?
I'm thinking about MU Lorca:
First he said he can't stand bright light because of the buran accident. When he is tortured by L'rell, she said his eyes are damaged. We saw he cured his eyes to see the klingon ship destruction.
And now they say his eyes were never damaged, they are just made so?
That’s not an excuse. The show trades on the Trek name. It can’t just dump the majority of what Trek is and still hold the mantel.
I just don’t think the show runners and writers are that smart. Take the Stamets and Culber scenes this episode. They felt so forced. I really felt they took away from the beauty of having a gay couple on the ship. I want gay characters to feel as “normal” as anyone else. Matter of fact even. But it felt like the great character of Culber (the only one by the way to ever truly espouse Trek values) was bumped off just so he could have this episode’s “hey, I’m gay and I love you” scene. Felt patronising.
I just feel that when Trek is at its best it’s a bit smarter.
I don't understand what is confusing about this. He said his eye condition was because of the Buran accident but the real reason is because he is from the mirror universe where the light is different.
Great episode
While many fans had picked up on hints of Lorca (that's good means the reveal makes sense) the way it played out was pretty well written ... making the fans root for him being prime Lorca and not knowing the sisters name while being tortured for not giving her name (and having follower executed).
As one person mentions - Landry getting killed in Prime Universe didn't effect him greatly because it wasn't his Landry. His connection with that Landry was because of his bond with the alive Landry in MU.
Eating Kelpian - pretty disgusting (but shocking and even Saru said they were hunted for food as to why nearly extinct). Well played.
Fidget Spinner deaths - that was pretty cool and shocking as well.
Glad we got Stamets awake again - him being catatonic for last few episodes I think slowed them down. I do wish they had shown medical personnel in with Tilly in engineering to make that part a little more believable. They seemed to leave him alone too much for his state (and his importance to getting them home).
I gave it a 9 - primarily because it was too short an episode.
While many fans had picked up on hints of Lorca (that's good means the reveal makes sense) the way it played out was pretty well written ... making the fans root for him being prime Lorca and not knowing the sisters name while being tortured for not giving her name (and having follower executed).
As one person mentions - Landry getting killed in Prime Universe didn't effect him greatly because it wasn't his Landry. His connection with that Landry was because of his bond with the alive Landry in MU.
Eating Kelpian - pretty disgusting (but shocking and even Saru said they were hunted for food as to why nearly extinct). Well played.
Fidget Spinner deaths - that was pretty cool and shocking as well.
Glad we got Stamets awake again - him being catatonic for last few episodes I think slowed them down. I do wish they had shown medical personnel in with Tilly in engineering to make that part a little more believable. They seemed to leave him alone too much for his state (and his importance to getting them home).
I gave it a 9 - primarily because it was too short an episode.
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Emphasis on probably. We know that Georgiou is a total piece of shit, we don't know 100% yet with Lorca. His heart could be just as black of course. But if the writers want to salvage his character in any way whatsoever, they'll add some complexity by making him into more of an antihero - maybe someone who seeks power but also wants to reform the empire to be more inclusive of nonhumans.
Lorca would not be popular if Burnham was well written and well acted. Sadly the character fails on both fronts. I have not and do not care about Burnham’s arc. In fact so far I have found just about all the non-Klingon cast to be more interesting than Burnham. Frankly I am much more interested to see what happens to Stamets or Saru than following Burnham’s highly predictable rise to Captain.
It's confusing because there is a difference between a damaged organ and a organ differently structured
