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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x12 - "Vaulting Ambition"

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So Landry is back in the next episode. Bringing dead characters back (or killing living ones without fan backlash) is one of the things that can be done in mirror universe, so it's not a surprise for the writers to take advantage of that. DS9 did it too, with Jennifer Sisko and Vedek Bareil.
 
if fans who spend all day and night on predicting the next show, become disappointed when the predictions come true, they should blame themselves for it. it's not guess the next episode show. You watch it and see if it is enjoyable, and see where it goes the next episode. There are no prizes for guessing it correctly. I assume people have other better things to do when they are not watching the show.
 
You know, I get why people are annoyed at the MU Lorca thing, but at the same time the character work has just not been strong enough in this series so far for me to feel like it "undermines" anything. Like, sure I'd prefer it if Lorca were a well-written antihero type with no twist, but in lieu of that I'm perfectly happy to accept schlocky plot twists. At least schlock is fun.
Yes, schlock is fun when it nods to being that way and wants you to play along. There were more than a handful of TOS episodes that were that way. TVH was that way in a most excellent way. The thing is, "Discovery" doesn't want to be seen that way. It excels in taking itself very seriously and makes it a point to make sure no characters are having fun. Everything is a labor.

I will say MU Lorca succeeded in the prime universe better than MU Kirk did. Within an hour of being over here, MU Kirk was in the brig.
 
if fans who spend all day and night on predicting the next show, become disappointed when the predictions come true, they should blame themselves for it. it's not guess the next episode show. You watch it and see if it is enjoyable, and see where it goes the next episode. There are no prizes for guessing it correctly. I assume people have other better things to do when they are not watching the show.
More like blame the writers for being inept.
 
Did Jason Issacs show up in person or on skype? They said last week he would be on, but then vanished from the promos. Guessing a mistake or he couldn't make it.
he was a on a poor quality Skype, but will be on next week.
 
He also didn't feel very Starfleet.

I guess this kills the dumb theory that he was Garth.

I disagree entirely. The entire idea that he wasn't Starfleet-y enough is predicated on the assumption that every officer in the fleet was some peacenik groupthinker as some perceive early TNG Picard to be. And that clearly is not the case. Kirk certainly wasn't. Oh, they all talked a good talk but, when the going got tough, they became realists very quickly. See Sisko, for example.

Lorca was a chance to get out of that mindset; to show that there isn't some kind of ridiculous hivemind and that every officer in Starfleet needs to think/act/behave as if they'd stepped out of the Summer of Love. They muffed it six ways to Tuesday on this, in my opinion, and that's too bad.
 
The thing is, "Discovery" doesn't want to be seen that way. It excels in taking itself very seriously and makes it a point to make sure no characters are having fun. Everything is a labor.

I think the show has gotten better about that as it's gone along. It's not perfect, but it feels...looser, and more natural than it did in the very underwhelming first few episodes. The ideas are absolutely schlock, even though the execution may be po-faced.

I dunno, I'm enjoying it.
 
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