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Favorite But Unpopular Episodes
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Ah Mistress Beata...an ice queen just waiting to be melted.
The Royale and The Game are two that immediately pop to mind for me. I like Season Two quite a bit. In fact, aside from The Child, The Outrageous Okona and Shades of Gray I enjoy every episode from that season.
I must be the only person in the universe who does not hate Code of honour, if its racist then so is Justice.
I tend to think the racism in Code of Honor is overstated. It seems to me it is down more to unfortunate decisions about costumes and perhaps accents. There's really nothing racist about the script, IMO. I seem to recall Wil Wheaton once saying that he didn't think Code of Honor was as racist as Angel One was sexist, and I tend to agree with that assessment.
My main reason for not liking that episode is because I simply don't think it's very good. In fact, I think it's a perfect example of a crap 1st season episode and I'm more forgiving than most of 1st season eps.
Since I think most of TNG season 1 was crap then I give COH a pass on crapness lol
Sir ... I know that "Angel One" is derided for this or that by tree-hugging liberals and their ilk, but I happen to genuinely enjoy this episode enormously for the reasons cited ... and then some!
I guess that was when the trial of humanity came into play.
Picard chose not to destroy an entire race. He had a better solution.
Besides, I have a fanfic version of my own how that choice makes perfect sense.
Picard knew Hugh's individuality would be spread through the entire collective. 'Descent' parts 1 and 2 don't make sense in that way, the hive mind should've been completely wiped out on season 5 and all Borgs after 'I Borg' should've been individual.
Then Descent threw that away...
What a perfect solution that would have been for the Borg problem, giving them individuality, Enterprise crew frees them all from slavery and gives them a new life.
I look at the Borg that way, after 'I Borg' there is not a hive mind anywhere. Besides, Descent 1&2 weren't that great...
What does being liberal have to do with liking or disliking Angel One?
I dislike Angel One because it's reductionist and poorly written, based on a premise that doesn't go much farther than just being a lazy reversal.
Take away the fact that women are in power in this planet, which is OMG SO CLEVER the opposite of what we are accustomed to on Earth, all you have is a lazy mediocre political suppression script that fails to make any interesting point or create any interesting drama or adventure.
Although I know Angel One is praised by CHEESE EATING GEN-EXERS and the like.
(See? That kind of comment classifying people who disagree with you in some kind of category is childish and absurd.)
I dislike Angel One because it's reductionist and poorly written, based on a premise that doesn't go much farther than just being a lazy reversal.
Take away the fact that women are in power in this planet, which is OMG SO CLEVER the opposite of what we are accustomed to on Earth, all you have is a lazy mediocre political suppression script that fails to make any interesting point or create any interesting drama or adventure.
Although I know Angel One is praised by CHEESE EATING GEN-EXERS and the like.
(See? That kind of comment classifying people who disagree with you in some kind of category is childish and absurd.)
Picard theorized that Hugh's individuality would spread through the collective and presumably end the threat. He turned out to be wrong. Picard's solution was not better.
And yes, there is a hive mind after Descent. Just look at Voyager
This puts you an inch from a Trolling warning. If the sociopolitical leanings of other fans matter to you, find somewhere else to dump your complaining.
I like it too so there's atleast 2 people who like it. Its campy and fun and it has a good moral lesson. Its noteworthy because its the only TNG episode that features music from an original series composer.
Count me in as well, though I can also see how and why it's seen as "racist" - but it is overstated, I agree. And what would have been changed in the script if all the actors playing Ligonians were white?
The music was not bad... The Ligonian culture and structure certainly intrigue. Indeed, the story gives me a vibe that TOS' "Amok Time" may have been a partial influence.
Jessie Lawrence Ferguson also delivers a compelling performance, which helps the episode that much more.
The story is certainly a jaw-dropping mess, right down to - on top of everything else - Picard threatening the entire planet with a volley of photon torpedoes (Um, prime directive much?!!), but was it meant to be racist as perceived? I'm not sure. I'm leaning toward "no". And looking at "Justice" where the Edo were hired solely because of blond hair/blue eyes...
I see the argument that "the story as laid out in the script is not inherently racial, so thus COH is not that racist", but I think it misses the point that the episode is not just the script. Yes, if you did the same story with different casting & costuming it could have been fine, but that isn't what they did.
I do agree that the racism is not in the script itself, the writers are not the villains on this charge. But just because the script isn't racist doesn't mean the finished episode is in the clear. I assume it's the director they fired in the middle of filming who is to blame, presumably he applied a racist idea on top of this story during prep and the producers were not alert enough to catch how distasteful it was until they were too far in to reshoot.
Meanwhile, I just rewatched "Up The Long Ladder" for the first time in forever. I forgot how truly insane this episode is! Besides all the usual charges against it, I couldn't believe how much time Riker and his love interest spent talking erotically about how she needs to wash her feet. I mean, what's a bigger turn-on than dirty feet? So weird!
I do agree that the racism is not in the script itself, the writers are not the villains on this charge. But just because the script isn't racist doesn't mean the finished episode is in the clear. I assume it's the director they fired in the middle of filming who is to blame, presumably he applied a racist idea on top of this story during prep and the producers were not alert enough to catch how distasteful it was until they were too far in to reshoot.
Meanwhile, I just rewatched "Up The Long Ladder" for the first time in forever. I forgot how truly insane this episode is! Besides all the usual charges against it, I couldn't believe how much time Riker and his love interest spent talking erotically about how she needs to wash her feet. I mean, what's a bigger turn-on than dirty feet? So weird!
Star Trek has a long tradition of being ambiguous when it comes to the prime directive. Picard bent it several times and don't even get me started on what James T Kirk did on multiple occasions.
I enjoyed the planet of clones more than the Irish refugee stuff. I think the scene where Riker and Pulaski realize that they have been drugged and cloned is one of TNG's most eerie and memorable scenes. Great music by Ron Jones too.
Was it only a theory? Picard had been a Borg and knew a lot more about them than anyone.
Voyager's Borg episodes are not my thing, the idea of a queen like in a bee hive is just lame. Had the Borg not been in 'First Contact' (movie) there might not have been a need for the queen at all. There was no way to communicate with the Borg without her so she was someone to talk to and... that's it.
In my defense, I wasn't actually referring to you, personally, in that statement. I was making a generalisation, but I'm not interested in a debate about that, just providing clarification, that's all. In any event, I happen to be a fan of "Angel One" and am very sincere about that. When it comes to TNG -- I speak quite honestly ... and from the heart.Not liking Angel One makes me a tree hugging liberal? ooooookay.
And besides, "Favorite But Unpopular Episodes" is, after all, the very theme of this thread.
Of course, Picard had inside information (being Locutus) however, there was no way to know for sure if the virus would have worked or not.
Fair enough. You just took me by surprise by saying you actually enjoy Angel One. I wasn't expecting that. I mean no one expects anyone to enjoy Angel One.
I assume by virus you mean the programming that was originally planned to be sent to the collective with Hugh?
Not the "individualisation" thing that Hugh had learned.
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