Spoilers Was Luke...

[fireproof78]

Rion Johnson was trying to present the characters with flaws. Luke made a mistake and he had to deal with that mistake. That mistake has horrible, horrible consequences. I guess you just want Luke Skywalker to be perfect.

This route allows the story to be different than the original trilogy. They are clearly saying Ben can't be brought back tot he light side, this is not another Darth Vader story. It will be a different story. Getting rid of Snoke helped do that to. How awful would it have been to have Snoke (Palpatine) trying to have his apprentice Kylo Ren (Darth Vader) turn his relative* (Son) to theDark side but Rey (Luke) manages to convert Kylo Ren (Darth Vader) to the light side and the destroy Snoke (Palapatine).

Johnson flipped the table ont hat script, thank goodness. it just seems like people are losing their shit over that. I guess this movie didn't have 'memberberries so everyone is losing it.

* relative being where peopel wanted Rey to be related to Luke thus making her cousins with Kylo Ren or somethign similar.

I really like Rey and Kylo's conversation after killing the guards. It was really interesting. Also appreciated the visual imagery of her closing the door and refusing his offer with that final sense.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

relative being where peopel wanted Rey to be related to Luke thus making her cousins with Kylo Ren or somethign similar.

The only word we actually have concerning Rey's parents actually comes from Kylo himself. I see no reason to take him at his word. Wouldn't it be in his best interests to lie, just to make it easier to get Rey to join him?

 

[Kirk the Jerk]

I just am baffled by the idea that nothing that happend to Luke between ROTJ and the incident could have allowed for a moment of weakness.

Rion Johnson was trying to present the characters with flaws. Luke made a mistake and he had to deal with that mistake. That mistake has horrible, horrible consequences. I guess you just want Luke Skywalker to be perfect.

I’m not saying nothing happened, would Luke not have still felt a failure had Ben chose to ignore his teachings and instead chose to follow the Dark path with Snoke?

My main problem lies with the fact he went creeping around in the middle of the night into his nephews room n contemplated killing him in his sleep.

I’m not saying he has to be perfect, I’d have just preferred it had Rey managed to persuade him to once again put his trust in the force and help them all one last time.

That Luke followed Rey after she n Chewie left on the Falcon. Having left a little while after we could’ve seen Rey fighting Ben, then just as it’s starting to look like Ben has got the upper hand, Luke finally arrives to put a stop to it and gives Rey and the Rebellion time to leave, we could’ve had a brief dual between Luke and Ben, then one last ‘heart to heart’ as to explore what actually happened. Then Ben strikes Luke down. Going out like a hero. Passing the torch to Rey Too predictable though eh?

 

[fireproof78]

I’m not saying nothing happened, would Luke not have still felt a failure had Ben chose to ignore his teachings and instead chose to follow the Dark path with Snoke?

My main problem lies with the fact he went creeping around in the middle of the night into his nephews room n contemplated killing him in his sleep.

So? He has his doubts. What is more tragic? That he had that failing or that he almost didn't move past it? That the lesson Luke had to learn is that he couldn't save everybody is far interesting to me than him having that heart to heart with Ben (as an aside, Luke can still come back and have that, you know). He goes from being "the last hope" that has to save everyone, to the legendary Luke Skywalker to a failure.

"Not ready for the burden were you." Yoda was right.

 

[JD]

That Luke followed Rey after she n Chewie left on the Falcon. Having left a little while after we could’ve seen Rey fighting Ben, then just as it’s starting to look like Ben has got the upper hand, Luke finally arrives to put a stop to it and gives Rey and the Rebellion time to leave, we could’ve had a brief dual between Luke and Ben, then one last ‘heart to heart’ as to explore what actually happened. Then Ben strikes Luke down. Going out like a hero. Passing the torch to Rey Too predictable though eh?

I think the way he ended up going out in the movie was more heroic than what you suggest here. Rather than going out and fighting Ben in a duel that he probably had at least a 50/50 chance of winning, he purposefully sacrificed himself in order to save everyone.

 

[fireproof78]

I think the way he ended up going out in the movie was more heroic than what you suggest here. Rather than going out and fighting Ben in a duel that he probably had at least a 50/50 chance of winning, he purposefully sacrificed himself in order to save everyone.

I honestly thought Luke was there for a moment (yeah, yeah) and was glad to see the way he used his Force powers to be that heroic figure again standing against tyranny. He used the Force for defense the way he was trained. I agree, his going out is far more heroic than it is given credit for.

 

[Kirk the Jerk]

I honestly thought Luke was there for a moment (yeah, yeah) and was glad to see the way he used his Force powers to be that heroic figure again standing against tyranny. He used the Force for defense the way he was trained. I agree, his going out is far more heroic than it is given credit for.

What was the idea behind projecting the ‘blue’ saber though...? Still don’t understand that. He projected a younger version of himself, we know that Luke had a green saber, he only got the blue one again after Rey showed up n he tossed that one away as it meant nothing to him.

 

[fireproof78]

What was the idea behind projecting the ‘blue’ saber though...? Still don’t understand that. He projected a younger version of himself, we know that Luke had a green saber, he only got the blue one again after Rey showed up n he tossed that one away as it meant nothing to him.

No idea. Maybe it was a symbolic acceptance of he past of Luke, rather than throwing it away. And, honestly, as a detail, it doesn't bother me.

 

[Reverend]

The only word we actually have concerning Rey's parents actually comes from Kylo himself. I see no reason to take him at his word. Wouldn't it be in his best interests to lie, just to make it easier to get Rey to join him?

From the context of that scene, it's less about Kylo giving Rey new information (false or otherwise) and more about getting her to admit the truth to herself. The implication is that she's known all along who and what her parents were, and really, we've been given no reason to think she didn't. It's only us that have been kept in the dark. The central conflict with Rey's parents in TFA wasn't about their identity, but about Rey's refusal to let the memory of them go and stop waiting for a reunion that was never going to happen.
They didn't even play coy with this; this is explicitly dealt with in her scene with Maz after the vision.

No idea. Maybe it was a symbolic acceptance of he past of Luke, rather than throwing it away. And, honestly, as a detail, it doesn't bother me.

For all we know, Kylo took Luke's green sabre after he thought he'd killed him. So showing up with that would have been an even greater tip-off. And is it really all that hard to believe that a master of Luke's skill couldn't possibly have repaired and reassembled the hilt in just a few hours? I mean from Kylo's perspective this is a guy that just shrug off a full on barrage like it was no more than a gentle breeze. For someone with such power, reforging a sabre with the force would be a truffle compared to that.

But yes, from a meta perspective it's presence was mostly symbolic.

 

[Reverend]

ETA: Double post, oops!

 

[JD]

IGN asked Johnson why Luke had the blue lightsaber during a recent interview. His answer works for me.