Warner bros announce superhero films through 2020

I really liked BR when I first saw it, but the last time I rewatched it, maybe 15 years ago, I thought it hadnt aged well

 

As it happens, I've watched, or re-watched, all the "Batman" live-action features in just the last couple of years. I found Burton's first entry to be better than I remembered, and Nolan's films easier to respect than to love (Rises is actually the most enjoyable of them, offering as it does more comic-book scope and scale, some affecting emotional beats, and even a few laughs thanks to Hathaway's fine, funny Catwoman). The Schumacher films are, mercifully, mostly forgettable (though the first tries to give us a character arc for Batman, catalyzed by Robin and Kidman's sexy Chase, that might have been worth something in a less ludicrous context).

For me, Returns has lost none of its luster, its darkness and grotesquerie feeling downright playful in Burton's hands, and its performances still uniformly splendid. (Keaton's twitchy, quirky, inward-focused Batman still feels like the most vivid interpretation of the character ever, and DeVito, Walken, and especially Pfeiffer are all marvelous.) The film's wintry Christmas atmosphere gives it a beautifully melancholic air, which turns warm with Keaton's thoughtful final words ("Good will toward men ... and women"). And that last line is the perfect capper to what is a surprisingly feminist film overall, as this article expresses better than I ever could.

 

Batman Returns and Batman Forever have weirdly seen their audience reception start to flip over the years, with Forever's reputation rising and Returns' reputation falling.

I personally enjoy both myself and consider them to be really good movies, especially Forever, which is far closer to Tim Burton's style and tone than people think and which brilliantly and satisfactorily caps off the character's narrative arc from B89 and Returns.

 

I enjoyed Returns when I watched it a few years ago, although it's nowhere near my favorite. The Nolan movies a pretty much my top three, in order of enjoyment they are TDK, TDKR, BB.
I actually enjoyed Batman & Robin, the secret is to just approach it as a biger budget version of the '66 TV series.

 

So is there an updated calendar with what is actually in production, what will probably get started and what is just hype?

 

Of course. Michael losing his soul, despite his own, original life choice, ended up exactly where his father did not want him, and became a soulless monster. That was the loud, clear and successfully presented point of the films, which was the reason they were so celebrated. It had nothing to do with glamorizing the mafia.

 

I love Returns, and not just nostalgically because it's the first superhero movie I saw in the cinema.

Just watched it last week, still love it.

 

And THAT was diluted by the message coming off as "Michael ended up the way he was because he didn't do things the way Vito did."

 

https://theplaylist.net/jodie-foster-superhero-james-gunn-20180102/

Superhero movies are like fracking.

 

Eh, I take Gunn's side in this.

 

"Going to the movies has become like a theme park."

Well, that's entirely self evident. These things have more to do with the experience of a roller coaster than narrative in any interesting sense.

 

That was how movies were in the 20's. And doesn't she know that blockbusters help fund those smaller films?

James Gunn's response is very diplomatic and I think way closer to the truth...Foster sounds a little snobby

 

I totally understand people's trepidation about remakes, reboots, franchises, franchises, franchises. (Not that any of those things are actually new, but even so...) I will never understand some people's obsession with the idea that superhero movies specifically are some sort of cinematic monstrosity. Superhero movies are just the current in flavor of action movies. There is no fundamental difference between a superhero movie and a cop movie or a war movie or a musclehead movie or a sci-fi action flick, etc, etc. They are all equally capable of being totally uninspired or being utterly fantastic.

And then she brings in this quote "It’s ruining the viewing habits of the American population and then ultimately the rest of the world. " What the hell does that even mean? It's total gibberish masquerading as depth.

I think Foster's a great actress, but being a total moron on this subject.

"I don’t want to make $200m (£150) movies about superheroes" - so don't. There are still other projects for you to work on...

 

Which is, of course, no longer how it works. The hugely expensive trash food cheeseburgers that we all surge out to see on opening weekend suck all the air out of the industry. American commercial film has never been more successful or more devoid of any value other than simple stimulation.

 

Two words that Jodi Foster and the rest of elitist Hollywood don't understand: FREE MARKET. If people wanted to see her "important" films they would. Truth is, people like me are looking for an escape from reality and want to see something fun and entertaining when going out to the movies. Particuliary when the price for doing so is so high. Could some of them be better? Absolutely! But don't knock superhero movies because if it wasn't for them, I'd rarely bother show up at a movie theater anymore. So I and the rest of the majority will keep watching what the elites call junk and they can continue giving themselves awards for movies that no one wants to see.

PS: My favorite movie of 2017 was IT, a non-superhero movie. But its in the horror genre which is another one that the snobs have always frowned upon.

 

So, the article is basically "Actor who has made exactly one entertaining movie in their entire career is now old and bitter and gets shown up by good director". Superhero movies aren't worth any more or less then the artsy-ish or critic loved film. The Godfather isn't inherently superior to The Avengers, Apocalypse Now isn't more worthwhile then Superman, etc. Some older people are just bitter that good films that aren't ran by egomaniacs with their heads up their own asses take away money from their three hour long artsy crap.

Superhero movies aren't ruining anything. Maybe in the 21st century the shitty films she likes just aren't popular anymore. Kind of like how the musical boom that happened when sound movies because widespread died out. There will always be a market for whatever artsy crap over the hill actors/directors/etc put out, but complaining about modern films is just petty and makes the person look like an out of touch idiot.

 

What is it always?

 

Nope.