News FOX selling out to Disney?
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Sure it's good if Disney is putting out good stuff, but what happens when Disney starts putting out shit and there's nobody left to offer an alternative?
Or, alternatively, there are people like myself who are generally pretty cool at best on the Marvel Studios movies (I've liked Iron Man 1 and 3, the first Guardians, parts of The Incredible Hulk and I guess most of Winter Soldier; the rest is dogshit), but generally enjoy Fox's comic-related output, who just got told to suck it.
I'm extremely happy to have the X-Men and Fantastic Four back with the rest of Marvel (well, I'm pretty sure Constantin Films still owns the rights to FF, but they'd be crazy not to work with Disney), but I don't really like so many other IPs falling under one roof. I hope that Disney will still keep 20th Century Fox and Fox Searchlight going and continuing to focus more on original films and independent and art-house films, while Disney itself just handles the blockbusters since that's apparently all they do now.
ETA: Just noticed that the Fox studio lot isn't included in the deal, so I guess not.
ETA: Just noticed that the Fox studio lot isn't included in the deal, so I guess not.
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52 BILLION dollars?! Holy shit!!!
Expect to see even more 5-star and 95%-99% fresh reviews for Disney flicks.
Expect to see even more 5-star and 95%-99% fresh reviews for Disney flicks.
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It means a hell of a lot. One point I haven't seen touched on is an issue of creative voices. It makes a lot more sense for entertainment to be coming from multiple sources. The more creative voices you have, the more ideas you have bouncing around, and you have greater chance for something really interesting and worthwhile to take hold. It's sort of like a chemical reaction, where one source will create enough movement, ie excitement, to start a trend among other sources. You can't have trends without multiple sources. If you only have one source, then your creativity will start to stagnate. If you funnel all that creativity throughout one source, then the higher-ups will have the final word on everything that you hold dearly and effectively drown out your creative voices, and you'd have fewer good movies. They can spin it all they like, but fewer choices for consumers and the overall industry will show a shift as the other media companies work to counter this. It may not seem much to those who consume media, but this is a huge move that will have much impact.
Perhaps Alec Peters could buy/lease the lot to make Axanar
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Despite my better judgment, I glanced at a CBR listicle on theories of how Marvel/Disney could integrate the universes (e.g. use the Multiverse a la Supergirl/Flash, use the Reality Stone to rewrite the continuity, or pretend they've been merged all along and gloss over the differences). The simplest suggestion, and a rather interesting one, was just to start introducing X-Men characters into the MCU... but call them Inhumans instead of mutants. Since the MCU has already been using Inhumans as its substitute for mutants and set them up as a persecuted minority, it would be a pretty simple fix, aside from the difference that Inhumans need Terrigenesis to trigger their powers (but there's always the fish oil pills, or they could do a Terrigen Bomb storyline like the one in the comics that empowered Kamala Khan and other new characters). Sure, it would offend the purists, but it's an imaginative thought.
Gods, I hope not. That'll piss off a lot of people and confuse plenty of others.
I don't see any reason why both Inhumans and Mutants can't exist in the same universe as superpowered people who are persecuted minorities. It's like the real world only has one (or just two) persecuted minorities. There's plenty of creative potential storytelling is in showing that and how their conflicts aren't inherently the same (just as it is in the real world).
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I don't really consider that a possibility. People have been crying that the sky is falling for Disney and Marvel for years, and its never happened. Even if they did, FOX sure as hell weouldn't have been an alternative, since they mostly just put out shit with a rare exception like Deadpool every few years. This isn't Disney taking out some good competition, its a company that is mostly shit at making films and TV shows giving its stuff to a better company. Disney is never going to be as bad as FOX is right now. I seriously doubt they'll ever have a really bad period again, honestly.
When it comes to it, with the genres I like FOX was already not an alternative. It wasn't a good alternative for superhero films, and it sure as hell hasn't been a good alternative for stuff like Sci Fi or Fantasy. So, as far as I'm concerned nothing of value has been lost.
Except FOX has put out maybe three good movies since 2010, and the worst of Disney is generally still ok. I haven;t considered FOX a legitimate choice for basically anything since DOFP, and they just get worse every year. Creativity stagnating is not a guarentee, its not like Disney is going to stop hiring people and literally only work with a few people for everything. When it comes down to it, Disney executives are better then FOX executives on every level, commercially and creatively.
As I've said before, that would work fine if you were starting the universe from scratch, but the way the MCU has established things, it would be awkward to fit mutants into the existing continuity. They've never been established to exist before, and if they suddenly started to appear somehow, then they'd feel like they were echoing the beats we've already gotten with Inhumans (and other superbeings in Civil War) anyway.
Of course, there's no chance they'd actually do it this way. I'm just saying it's an interesting suggestion, one I hadn't seen before.
The problem is, they don't want any competition. And that, in the long run, is the problem. Right now, this argument feels very short sighted, that as long as output isn't affected, that it doesn't affect me, then everything is just fine.
"Peace in my time" and all that and forget the consequences. It's not about Fox-it's about consequences to an entire industry that is slowly dying.
Yes, I was so excited to know that the Yankees would be in year after year....
Same with the Patriots. Isn't that exciting football?
Arse.
I could see a MCU version of Flashpoint featuring infinity gems, or a take on the last Secret Wars with the Ultimate and 616 universes combining.
Plus, M.A.C.O. indicated that Murdoch's smaller Fox Corp. would own 25% of Disney's stock.
Whatever. In the end, I want whatever leads to better movies. FOX generally makes shit movies, Disney generally makes good to great movies. If Disney wants more of my money I'll happily give it to them if they keep putting out good stuff. Competition with FOX has only lead to FOX putting out generally crap movies. I don't want Disney to have competition either if by "competition" you mean Disney not being allowed to make good stuff just so someone else can put out shit that technically "competes" with Disney.
Well, as a fan of the X-Men comics I've been told to "suck it" for every non-Deadpool X-Men project post DOFP, not to mention every FF project outside of the 2005 film. If one group of fans is going to get screwed regardless, I'd prefer that my side gets what we want. In some areas of life that's a bad attitude, but its entertainment. I'm always going to be on the side that leads to more stuff I personally like, and since Disney is basically the exclusive group for that I'm going to want them to get the best deals. All FOX has done is screw up the X-Men franchise, cancel the few good TV shows they get and keep shitty things on the air literally decades past their expiration date.
If someone doesn't like the MCU, there is still the DCEU, it seems to be trying to get better. I'll also give the same (shitty) platitude everyone throws at me whenever I complain about stuff like this: The movies you like will always be there. Sure, you'll never get new stuff you like, but no one is going to drag Logan, Wolverine Origins or X3 out of your hands. That's not a very comforting thing to say, but I'll admit that after being told that about Star Trek approximately 5,000 times since 2009 I'm glad to finally be on the side that gets to say that to someone and not the side that has to hear it. Plus, hey, you never know what you could like. I loved Star Trek Beyond, even after disliking the other two reboot movies. Maybe the MCU makes X-Men movies that even older X-Men film fans will like. To be fair, I like a lot of the X-Men movies. But FOX just lost whatever ability they had to make good ones that aren't Deadpool, so I'm really glad to see proven people that put out work I enjoy get a shot.