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Quentin Tarantino has an idea for a ST film (kind of)

I was thinking about this some more. Tarantino's style might not fit in with what we have seen in most of Trek but I can think of one place where it would fit in very well. I am talking about the mirror universe or a altered universe. It should be note that the two episodes he mentioned was "City of the Edge of Forever" and "Yesterday's Enterprise" which both showed a dark alternate timeline.

If you have a timeline like that it is a very easy transition to the graphic violence and swearing and even racial slurs because those are things you would think that would come in a universe were things a darker than the timelines we have seen. In away he could do justice to that concept in away that all old Trek could never do since it's a show that has families and young children in mind when thinking about it's audience.

Jason
 
Yes, yes it is. In TWOK, the violence was mostly off screen. You never saw most of it. Not so much with Discovery. The only thing I've ever seen in Star Trek that is close was the first season "Conspiracy" episode of TNG, which I've only ever seen once. I've seen every other episode of TNG several times, but I saw "Conspiracy" when it first aired and have skipped it since.
Fair enough. I didn't think there was anything off putting about them, but I suppose we've all got different boundaries.
 
I was thinking about this some more. Tarantino's style might not fit in with what we have seen in most of Trek but I can think of one place where it would fit in very well. I am talking about the mirror universe or a altered universe. It should be note that the two episodes he mentioned was "City of the Edge of Forever" and "Yesterday's Enterprise" which both showed a dark alternate timeline.

If you have a timeline like that it is a very easy transition to the graphic violence and swearing and even racial slurs because those are things you would think that would come in a universe were things a darker than the timelines we have seen. In away he could do justice to that concept in away that all old Trek could never do since it's a show that has families and young children in mind when thinking about it's audience.

Jason
that's a good point . Also think QT will possibly show whats been hinted at in Trek but we couldnt see for the rating - e.gs transporter malfunction aftermath (TMP), more graphic phaser death (like Trek IIs shocking Regular disintegration & VI zero G massacre- the reason klingon blood was pink was to avoid an R rating), more graphic depressurizations/results of phaser/torpedo destruction on crew (see Trek II fire death, Nem & ST09/ID sucked into space) , more graphic alien body horror (although Trek IIs eels were almost as graphic as any Alien movie. As mentioned already Trek II was rated 15 on VHS in uk which is same as R)... so basically violent/graphic stuff in Treks I, II, III, VI, FC, Nem, and the JJ films and some TNG eps but even more so/no holding back (actually Conspiracy was as graphic as any R/18 film too and had to be censored in uk..so maybe like that)
 
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Stewart totally wants to be in Tarantino Trek
https://trekmovie.com/2017/12/08/patrick-stewart-would-play-picard-for-tarantinos-star-trek/
maybe QTs story will be time travel (possibly similar to the Hemsworth JJ ST4 which is maybe a reason why its coming together so fast) and will somehow integrate Stewart & Shatner (for a 25th anniversary Generations reunion :) )

Hopefully :D Who knows. Who says QT wants Pine & Quinto.

If previous comments go by anything he wants time travel/AU
 
I don't doubt that Tarantino is a fan of Star Trek but he and his formula is not a good fit for it. It's not an R-rated franchise and the franchise doesn't need such "wonderful" filmmaking moments as random scalpings.

David Lynch managed to avoid his usual incomprehensible weird-ass style when he made The Straight Story. Perhaps Tarantino can do the same for Trek.

ST4 (or whatever they end up calling it) doesn't have to be like QT's other films.
 
This reminds me of the time Abrams was asked to direct his first Trek film. From JJ Abrams: 'I never got Star Trek':

One thing Abrams has never been, though, is a Trekker. Or a Trekkie. Or even a Trekkist. "Star Trek," he says, referring to the original TV series, "always felt like a silly, campy thing. I remember appreciating it, but feeling like I didn't get it. I felt it didn't give me a way in. There was a captain, there was this first officer, they were talking a lot about adventures and not having them as much as I would've liked. Maybe I wasn't smart enough, maybe I wasn't old enough. But The Twilight Zone I was obsessed with. Loved it."
 
This reminds me of the time Abrams was asked to direct his first Trek film. From JJ Abrams: 'I never got Star Trek':
And then he goes on to say that he views that as an asset. Which, is supported by the fact that Nicholas Meyer was never a "Star Trek fan" either. Fan status does not mean you make a great film. There may me more love, more reverence to the material, but it also can make it more self-referential, more cautious in the approach, more reluctant to "kill your darlings" as the industry parlance would go.

I appreciate Abrams approach in that he wasn't a "fan" but was just trying to make a good movie. I certainly think you can have both, but being a fan doesn't automatically mean you make a good film or tell a good story.
 
It all depends on how 'R' it goes - if we're talking constant F-bombs and bloody violence then I think that's a step too far. If we're talking say, Terminator 2 levels where there's violence and language, sure, but nothing too gratuitous then I think it would be doable without spoiling things. Remember TWOK at one point was a '15' certificate in the UK (my VHS copy, part of the 90's box set had a 15 certificate, which is the equivalent of an R rating) and contained fairly graphic violence and gore for a trek film, and it didn't do that film much harm. It's all about the context of the film for me, in that you can get away with some fairly graphic stuff when it's within the trappings of a sci fi movie, as it is, by definition, fantasy. We will see.

yes indeed - talked about this here https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/violence.249424/#post-9838453
Ive always thought of Wrath of Khan as not so much a Trek film, more a deadly serious R rated SF/horror like Alien, Terminator or Scanners. It helped that it was rated ‘15’ when released on ‘uncut’ VHS in the UK (15 and 18 rated films usually = ‘R’ in the US), but later downgraded to ‘12’ for the Directors Cut dvd (12 = PG13). The Terminator was also downgraded from 18 on VHS (hard R) to 15 (not so hard R).

the tone is just too adult for kids, the themes too lofty, the violence feels too real and graphic (the disturbing ear scenes are almost like Alien chestburster or Cronenberg levels in terms of disturbing goriness), there seems to be frequent bloodletting (this movie is steeped in red - red uniforms, red alerts, red rum), mind torture(like Scanners), people being killed in violent nasty ways - vicious radiation burns, burned alive from Reliant phaser hit, the Regular torture aftermath (the guy Bones backs in to hanging upside down throat slit blood all over the floor), Khans bloody injuries, and the hand phaser deaths on Regular - the scientist caught in the phaser fire being vaporized and Terrells suicide (you really feel the agony of his struggle) - i know disintegrations happened loads of times in TOS but that was 60s tv budget almost comic book violence - here it was in big budget big screen Trek never seen before..it felt totally real as if that’s what super advanced ‘ray guns’ 200 years in the future would do to a person (it also helped that TWOK felt totally real so the danger/threat felt real) - the horrible scream the scientist does as hes destroyed feels like something out of a Cronenberg film- in fact the whole scene is like something out of an 80s Cronenberg tech chiller - its not so much SF/Fantasy violence, its more like REAL violence. (even Paul Winfield lends the film a harder edge in retrospect as he was in the hard R rated Terminator two years later).

but mainly the tone of the movie - very serious, realistic thanks to the great acting from everyone (Montoban and Shatner shouldve been oscar nominated - best supporting actor and best actor - in fact i think Khan is one of the few Trek movies that didnt get any nominations - not even for FX which had the first use of CGI!!) stuff feels like its happening for real (much more so than any of the other Trek films - although maybe III and TMP come closest to capturing that element of realism). i imagine Khan himself would be pretty terrifying for kids - a raving superhuman madman who kills at any given moment ...they mustve been pretty scared seeing it, I know I was when I saw it at the cinema as a kid. And then theres the eerie dark silence of space with the haunting background noises in the spaceship/planet scenes - this dosnt feel like the star trek universe of TOS, any of the other movies, or the TNG era, - its almost like the Alien universe, complete with horrible, truly alien creatures that will crawl inside your body given half a chance. (in retrospect the James Horner Aliens score in places makes it feel of that universe too - and the whole scientists playing god and developing Genesis/terraforming with a substance that can either create life on lifeless worlds or destroy it on worlds where life exists now feels all very Prometheus)
 
As long as it's done right, and it's not OTT or gratuitous then I think it will be fine. Some of trek scared the shit out me as a kid. I think a few grim sci-fi deaths are part of the franchise.

Exactly. TOS was replete with monsters and horror, along with all the optimistic sci-fi stuff. And, honestly, the "gore" on DISCO is pretty tame by the standards of a lot of science fiction and fantasy, and not just the modern stuff. Hell, the original PLANET OF THE APES had Charlton Heston getting shot in the throat and dead human carcasses strung up as hunting trophies--and that was rated "G" in 1968. And Obi-Wan sliced some guy's arm off in the original STAR WARS, remember? Yet somehow a generation of kids were not traumatized . . . :)
 
And then he goes on to say that he views that as an asset. Which, is supported by the fact that Nicholas Meyer was never a "Star Trek fan" either. Fan status does not mean you make a great film. There may me more love, more reverence to the material, but it also can make it more self-referential, more cautious in the approach, more reluctant to "kill your darlings" as the industry parlance would go.

I appreciate Abrams approach in that he wasn't a "fan" but was just trying to make a good movie. I certainly think you can have both, but being a fan doesn't automatically mean you make a good film or tell a good story.

Though I was annoyed by his comment, I very much enjoyed the 2009 Star Trek movie. Although Meyer wasn't a fan either, he basically binged most of the original series and managed to truly get the characters in a way JJ does not.

QT is at least a Star Trek fan.
 
Though I was annoyed by his comment, I very much enjoyed the 2009 Star Trek movie. Although Meyer wasn't a fan either, he basically binged most of the original series and managed to truly get the characters in a way JJ does not.

QT is at least a Star Trek fan.
Completely disagree as I think Abrams got the essence of the characters while exploring new facets of their history and reactions.

I'll take either as a director, really.
 
Am I the only one who doesn't want him to censor himself? His only goal should be to make a great movie. How we see it in regards to the entire Trek franchise can be figured out afterwards.

Jason
 
Though I was annoyed by his comment, I very much enjoyed the 2009 Star Trek movie. Although Meyer wasn't a fan either, he basically binged most of the original series...

I don’t know if that’s strictly true. In his commentary on the DVD, it’s mentioned Bennett blitzed through the entire series and picked out the major elements to keep (for eg. Khan.)

Meyer just said he was already passingly familiar with TOS, and thought it was ‘not very good.’ And unlike Abrams, he indicated that he still doesn’t really have much time for it. TWOK was basically his attempt to ‘make the franchise into something good.’ Which is...whatever. Not everyone’s going to like everything.

Of course, that story may have changed a few times. As Trek’s history is wont.
 
While I am not a fan of the Kelvin Universe "Trek" (okay. I sort of liked "Beyond." I'll admit to that much.) I am personally intrigued by the notion of a TarantinoTrek. Frankly, I'd see it first as a Tarantino film and only secondarily as a Trek film so that would soften my bitter despite of all this rebooty nonsense.
The idea of Tarantino fleshing out a TOS episode for a full feature is also kind of fun. Invites one to play the "Pick the Episode" game!
Personally, I think "Conscience of the King" and "Whom Gods Destroy" would make good candidates for Tarantino's style. The first has murder and seething vengeance and secret vendettas--all of which are right up QT's alley. The latter has the potential for a singular mix of horror and absurdity--and any excuse for an Orion Green, right lads?
But, my pitch goes something like this....(are you listening Mr. T?)
[Interior shot of Enterprise corridor, lights dimmed.]
*tic-tic-tic* of heels on floor segues into backbeat as Nancy Sinatra's "These Boots Are Made For Walkin'" comes on.
female wearing thigh high white vinyl boots strolls into shot. We follow her down the corridor--shots low, focusing on boots entire time. Since it's an R rated film, we can catch tantalizing glimpses of a shapely ass beneath brightly colored transparent plastic miniskirt above....
Boots stroll past crew members frozen in place until they reach Mr. Spock, bending over a sensor screen.
There's a nasty whizz-brrr of a device coming on, some sizzling sounds, a high-pitched whine.
Thick gobs of green gore splatter on the floor, nearly on the toes of the white boots.
Splatters turn into animated psychedelic title sequence with splashes and pulses and such.
a bright light-beam slices 3-D credits into the pulsating green splotches.
As credits wind down, we hear Karl Urban's voice say..."My God, Jim! His BRAIN'S gone!"

yah! Tarantino's SPOCK'S BRAIN!
I would totally pay a ton of bucks to see a psychedelic, psychotronic retrosploitation version of that episode!
And, who in the world could complain that he "ruined a classic" with that one? eh?
 
Meyer just said he was already passingly familiar with TOS, and thought it was ‘not very good.’ And unlike Abrams, he indicated that he still doesn’t really have much time for it. TWOK was basically his attempt to ‘make the franchise into something good.’ Which is...whatever. Not everyone’s going to like everything.

In his autobiography, he indicates that he caught glimpses of it while channel surfing, and had no interest in watching as the whole idea of humanoid aliens filling the galaxy seemed absurd to him.

Bennett then showed him several episodes and TMP, which "did not particularly excite me", and he disliked the solemnity, acting, uniforms and sets. He also regarded Kirk's adventures as gunboat diplomacy where Starfleet went around imposing their values on those they saw as inferior.

Meyer then cottoned on to the idea that it was Hornblower in space and wrote WoK on that basis, discarding the things he disliked about Trek as he went along.
 
I do not know why people are worried
Tarantino probably shows violence and sex, and what does it matter? Did not we see violence on disco? We did not see an officer of the federation being raped by an alien?
I like disco, I have no problem that Tarantino does something similar
 
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