Spoilers DC TV Arrow/Flash Universe Crossover Discussion
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She was portrayed as something of a party girl, but I don't recall if there was sex involved. As we learned in season 2, she was never all that interested in sex with men, without understanding why.
Anyway, maybe she meant her first one-night stand as a lesbian.
It was suggested before that maybe Thawne helped the Nazis get the bomb, as he tried to do in Earth-1's past last year. He could've also provided medical aid.
And if he's the fuhrer, doesn't that make America the Fatherland?
When I saw the minister, I thought... Hey! There's Colonel Sanders!
Not if Germany conquered the world. Then everything is Germany, so everything is the fatherland.
I am imaging after Hitler's death there was constant battles for control of the Reich through out the world.
I totally didn't recognize Felicity with brown hair. Took me a lot more than a few seconds.
I didn't think the wedding would happen. Then we get two.
Sorry not a fan of the double wedding. It felt like Felicity stealing Iris and Barry's moment. It should been on Arrow. What are they going to do in syndication and home video? Both couples got married on Legends not their own shows...
Last year’s crossover wasn’t split up on home release. So it will probably be the same here.
They might do the same for synducation.
They kept on using the "bottle show" techniques in the last half -- the resistance bunker on Earth-X was the Team Arrow Bunker set, and most of Part 4 was on the Waverider sets. Hey, that means the Flash crew spent a lot of time shooting on the Arrow sets to make up for the Arrow crew shooting most of their part on the Flash sets. That must've been weird.
The introduction of the Ray was rather cursory, like they cut out a lot of exposition. Just one throwaway line about him being from Earth-1 is all we get? We don't even get his full name until Part 4. Also, since when did everyone in the multiverse agree that Ollie & Barry's Earth is Earth-1? When we first met Harry back in The Flash season 2, he said that he thought of his Earth (Earth-2) as Earth-1.
I found the pacing in Part 3 kind of clumsy -- it's the weakest part of the whole. And it's still frustrating how many of the characters were captive or absent.
But Part 4 was much more powerful. You know, I've been idly wondering for a few weeks if they were planning to kill Stein off -- after all, they've done so much to set up the expectation that he'd go back home that it almost feels like they were preparing to subvert that expectation by going the more dramatic and permanent route. Since that was their plan, it's fitting that they did it in the crossover, because it raised the stakes of the climactic battle.
Anyway, how did the Nazis get an evil Waverider? I guess that's more of Thawne's handiwork.
The Atom had a pretty nifty entrance. It's been a long wait, but it was worth it. And he made a Ms. Marvel reference! A giant hand and "it embiggens"! Yay! Between that, Kara's Hulk clap at the wedding, Martin's attempt to create Spider-Jax, and Atom and Mr. Terrific recreating the "Ant-Man on Hawkeye's arrowhead" move, this has a surprising amount of Marvel references for a DC crossover event.
But with some choice Superman references too. "General, would you care to step outside?" "You have to take her up. Up, and away."
Annnd... I kinda figured this would end with a double Barry-Iris/Ollie-Felicity wedding. I wish more of the gang had stuck around to see it than just Diggle, though (but at least we got some Diggle). I guess they could only schedule/budget so many group scenes. (Meanwhile, I'm surprised that Diggle knew both Barry's and Iris's middle names without any prior preparation.)
You know, I'm torn. On the one hand, I wanted this to be huge and include everyone. On the other hand, it was so huge and inclusive that far too many characters got short shrift. I think Wild Dog and Black Canary got maybe 2-3 lines each, and the debut of Zari's costume was an afterthought. Also, there were so many throwaway plot points that will drive us crazy in retrospect once fridge logic kicks in, so many mysteries with no explanation given.
Maybe they shouldn't try to top this next year. It was neat that they did this, but maybe they should dial it back next time and not bite off more than they can chew. Someone on another board suggested maybe doing multiple smaller 2- or 3-show crossovers spread out over the season.
As I said before, that's not the way empires work. The way they maintain centralized control is by holding up the ruling country as more special and important than all the rest. I mean, the Roman Empire was huge, but Rome itself stood above all the other lands. And the Sun may have never set on the British Empire, but London was the center of the world.
Besides, that's kind of inherent in the very term "Fatherland" -- the other countries are the children.
Yeah, I was thinking, "Oh, is it Thea? No, I think it's Samantha. Wait, was Samantha Jewish? Ohhh, it's Felicity!"
Great to see Felicity as the one standing up to Fuhrer Arrow and telling the Nazis, in the name of her grandparents who survived the Holocaust, to get the hell off our planet. And it's always a touching moment when a normal human with no powers steps in front of an invulnerable superhero and says "You'll have to go through me first." Incredibly unwise and probably futile, but touching.
I read a comment earlier today that some things are meant to be event television, experienced live as they occur, never to be quite recreated. Sure, if you just follow one show in syndication, some things will be missed out on, but I think it's cool that they're willing to commit to these crossovers and have meaningful things happen in them, rather than just keep them separate from and inconsequential to the main story arcs for fear of not fitting the normal pattern.
The introduction of the Ray was rather cursory, like they cut out a lot of exposition. Just one throwaway line about him being from Earth-1 is all we get? We don't even get his full name until Part 4. Also, since when did everyone in the multiverse agree that Ollie & Barry's Earth is Earth-1? When we first met Harry back in The Flash season 2, he said that he thought of his Earth (Earth-2) as Earth-1.
I found the pacing in Part 3 kind of clumsy -- it's the weakest part of the whole. And it's still frustrating how many of the characters were captive or absent.
But Part 4 was much more powerful. You know, I've been idly wondering for a few weeks if they were planning to kill Stein off -- after all, they've done so much to set up the expectation that he'd go back home that it almost feels like they were preparing to subvert that expectation by going the more dramatic and permanent route. Since that was their plan, it's fitting that they did it in the crossover, because it raised the stakes of the climactic battle.
Anyway, how did the Nazis get an evil Waverider? I guess that's more of Thawne's handiwork.
The Atom had a pretty nifty entrance. It's been a long wait, but it was worth it. And he made a Ms. Marvel reference! A giant hand and "it embiggens"! Yay! Between that, Kara's Hulk clap at the wedding, Martin's attempt to create Spider-Jax, and Atom and Mr. Terrific recreating the "Ant-Man on Hawkeye's arrowhead" move, this has a surprising amount of Marvel references for a DC crossover event.
But with some choice Superman references too. "General, would you care to step outside?" "You have to take her up. Up, and away."
Annnd... I kinda figured this would end with a double Barry-Iris/Ollie-Felicity wedding. I wish more of the gang had stuck around to see it than just Diggle, though (but at least we got some Diggle). I guess they could only schedule/budget so many group scenes. (Meanwhile, I'm surprised that Diggle knew both Barry's and Iris's middle names without any prior preparation.)
You know, I'm torn. On the one hand, I wanted this to be huge and include everyone. On the other hand, it was so huge and inclusive that far too many characters got short shrift. I think Wild Dog and Black Canary got maybe 2-3 lines each, and the debut of Zari's costume was an afterthought. Also, there were so many throwaway plot points that will drive us crazy in retrospect once fridge logic kicks in, so many mysteries with no explanation given.
Maybe they shouldn't try to top this next year. It was neat that they did this, but maybe they should dial it back next time and not bite off more than they can chew. Someone on another board suggested maybe doing multiple smaller 2- or 3-show crossovers spread out over the season.
As I said before, that's not the way empires work. The way they maintain centralized control is by holding up the ruling country as more special and important than all the rest. I mean, the Roman Empire was huge, but Rome itself stood above all the other lands. And the Sun may have never set on the British Empire, but London was the center of the world.
Besides, that's kind of inherent in the very term "Fatherland" -- the other countries are the children.
Yeah, I was thinking, "Oh, is it Thea? No, I think it's Samantha. Wait, was Samantha Jewish? Ohhh, it's Felicity!"
Great to see Felicity as the one standing up to Fuhrer Arrow and telling the Nazis, in the name of her grandparents who survived the Holocaust, to get the hell off our planet. And it's always a touching moment when a normal human with no powers steps in front of an invulnerable superhero and says "You'll have to go through me first." Incredibly unwise and probably futile, but touching.
I read a comment earlier today that some things are meant to be event television, experienced live as they occur, never to be quite recreated. Sure, if you just follow one show in syndication, some things will be missed out on, but I think it's cool that they're willing to commit to these crossovers and have meaningful things happen in them, rather than just keep them separate from and inconsequential to the main story arcs for fear of not fitting the normal pattern.
I kept expecting last year's four parter to be released as a separate movie, but that never happened.
Cavanagh delivered that line quite well. It didn't sound forced or contrived.
That's who I thought it was too.
It might have been Wellenreiter, which Google Translate tells me is German for Waverider.
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