Spoilers Justice League - Grading and Discussion

[M.A.C.O.]

Flash is The Fast Man Alive (u̶n̶l̶e̶s̶s̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶ ̶c̶o̶u̶n̶t̶ ̶a̶l̶l̶ ̶t̶h̶o̶s̶e̶ ̶o̶t̶h̶e̶r̶ ̶s̶p̶e̶e̶d̶s̶t̶e̶r̶s̶,̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶n̶ ̶h̶e̶'̶s̶ ̶n̶o̶t̶ ).

Supes can't be amazing at everything. So, Barry and the other Flashes get to be the fastest when it counts. Again, you can thank Geoff Johns for amping Barry, Wally and the others in the Flash family (including the Reverse Flash and Zoom) to the insane levels they have now.

Spoiler

^ Caught'em

 

[F. King Daniel]

The Justice League movie made it pretty clear that Supes is better than the rest of the League at everything.

I recall Smallville's versions of the characters having Flash be faster, but Clark's powers hadn't yet reached their apex.

 

[Mudd]

The Justice League movie made it pretty clear that Supes is better than the rest of the League at everything.

Yeah, well...Superman.

 

[Jax]

The Justice League movie made it pretty clear that Supes is better than the rest of the League at everything.

The Flash in JL at the start of his journey and once he reaches his apex, were talking about a guy who won't only be the fastest man in the entire DCEU but someone capable of time travel that can/will change the course of DC's history. Wonder Woman it seems still has some way to go but I get the feeling she is capable of going toe to toe with Supes when she doesn't hold back.

As powerful as Supes is, he can be nullifed via Kryptonite, does Flash or WW have such an obvious weakness?

 

[UssGlenn]

As powerful as Supes is, he can be nullifed via Kryptonite, does Flash or WW have such an obvious weakness?

You can depower Wonder Woman but you have to catch her first, her weaknesses are bondage related, nothing that works from exposure like Kryptonite. With the Flash, you need to disrupt his connection to the Speedforce which can be done through various technobable means.

 

[Tosk]

The Justice League movie made it pretty clear that Supes is better than the rest of the League at everything.

Flash is fast enough to avoid every one of Superman's punches. So I'd say he'd just a hair quicker.

 

[Guy Gardener]

They can both move faster.

But I doubt they can perceive their environment faster.

Sonny Bono crashing into a tree while skiing.

Superman is a lot less delicate than Barry, so he can clip a mountain, or a person, at half the speed of light, and walk it off.

They make a big deal about how Superman has to run with his feet on the ground, or it's not a fair race, however how much faster is Clark in the vacuum of space where he can just shut his eyes and pour on the speed, with no care for his surroundings, until he can smell Jupiter?

 

[Velocity]

Jupiter being a GAS giant, so that's why he smells it?

 

[Turtletrekker]

There's a Uranus joke in there somewhere...

 

[Burning Hearts of Qo'nos]

I finally saw it! My expectations were very low. I am not a fan of BvS or Man of Steel in any way. I don't want to label myself a Snyder-hater; he just has his own style and amazing talents in certain areas and very much not great in other areas. I'm just not a fan.

I was expecting something noticeably hodge-podge with the feel-good character-driven comedic stylings of Joss Whedon (for whom I am very much a fan of) and actually went excited to see how much of the movie didn't match with the rest of the movie. I figured if I'm going to see some Frankenstein of Muderverse and MCU I might as well have fun poking fun at it, but...

It ended up being really okay! I was entertained the whole way through. I liked all the parts that I felt were added in and it really brought together the movie for me. I try to imagine the movie without the jokes and fun stuff and I really don't think it would have worked for me. Only once or twice I thought that the lighter stuff was out of place. The movie wasn't a game changer or a profound look into these heroes, but it was completely serviceable. I know that it should have been something amazing, I mean...it is the JUSTICE LEAGUE. It should have broken the Earth in half with its awesomeness, but in the end, it ended up being a pretty okay live-action version of a really good DC animated movie. Like if a made-for-tv-movie Justice League somehow had a budget of 300 million.

In the end, my biggest gripe about the movie wasn't direction or story or character arcs or even the super lame 1/2 dimensional villain and his mcguffin boxes...it was just that the special effects all looked half finished. But I liked it nonetheless. Would definitely watch it again (but not in theaters).

I know this reaction isn't what the studio was hoping for, but personally I think they've thoroughly shown that they don't really have a clue about how they're handling their properties and only really have themselves to blame. I think going into their mega-franchise with the Snyder vision of these characters was the mistake from the get-go and allowing these movies to be born from that vision and then haphazardly trying to fix it after the fact has been the downfall of these movies (Not counting Wonder Woman, which SHOULD be the style/tone template).

I'm not saying that the DCEU should be clone of the MCU, that's definitely not my point at all. But for sure, I don't think the DCEU should have used MoS or BvS as a style template.

 

[jbny67]

There's a Uranus joke in there somewhere...

Yeah, I heard about the Klingons on Uranus.

 

[Samurai8472]

Oh this is just sad

 

[Burning Hearts of Qo'nos]

^ LOL...nothing will stop WB from making more of these movies until they stop making us see them (by simply making them)

It is in my personal opinion that it's time for the WB to install Patty Jenkins as the Kevin Feige of the DCEU. Also, I'd like to coin 'Head Feige' as the official title for any one person that leads a nerd based mega-franchise.

 

[jbny67]

They should watch what's happening this week with their characters on TV.
They're doing a much better job than this movie.

 

[Mudd]

They should watch what's happening this week with their characters on TV.
They're doing a much better job than this movie.

I've close to given up on the couple of those shows I watched.

Oh this is just sad

Fans be crazy.

 

[jbny67]

So, you're commenting on a 4 episode crossover you haven't even watched?
Typical.

 

[Neroon]

Sure I do, it's just that you can't seem to stand it.



Ledger dying making people think that it would be bad to genuinely criticize the movie and point out its flaws.



Truth hurts, don't it? I'm past trying to be gentle with Nolanites.



Take your shame somewhere else, it isn't 2000 anymore.

Leave it to you, The Hulk would be about Bruce Banner merely having a violent split personality with no actual hulking.



To the people who are ashamed of comics. Most everyone else enjoys the variety instead of selling out.



People only thought that because those films had little to no competition and nostalgia backing them. None of them would do well in today's environment wherein audiences aren't ashamed of non-grounded stuff in CBMS anymore.



The story about Gwen dying is famous more for the precedent it set for killing off the love interest and major villain in one go. The actual story itself isn't anything special. Gwen had been a royal annoyance for a long time by that point.



For those ashamed of comics. Put them out today where the MCU has helped elevate what is seen as enjoyable and acceptable in CBMs and the Dark Knight movies wouldn't do as well. All Dark Knight have going for them anymore is that they appeal to people who can't stand actual comic-booky stuff. The throwbacks who belong in a museum.

The philosophies in Dark Knight? All mostly nonsense that don't hold up to analysis.
Making the villains the source of everything with Batman merely reacting to what they do? Lazy.
The lack of internal conflict, even lazier.

We are done with this pissing match. Each of you have received a warning.
Comments to PM, please <=== this applies to everyone in this discussion.

 

[Anwar]

On topic, going over it again there were some truly wasted scenes and just silly moments.:

1) The WW opening with her stopping those terrorists in London...what a waste of Roose Bolton. And there's WW killing the guy unnecessarily, and how the bomb that was supposed to blow up several blocks did far less damage.

And the gang overall, they could easily have been part of Darkseid' Earth forces (Intergang, or the Darkseid Cult) but instead they're nothing.

2) The JL just leaving the 3rd Mother Box lying around for Steppenwolf to grab. Utter incompetence.

3) Superman making all the other members utterly redundant. On his own he'd have taken out Steppenwolf to the point they wouldn't have needed Cyborg to interface with the boxes. There's no need for the League.

4) Batman's gambit being that Superman's lust would overpower his anger.

5) WW's fluctuating powers. If her sword could really cut through anything, why didn't she try to cut Steppenwolf's head off? He wasn't terribly fast, and he wasn't even wearing armor around his face and neck!

 

[M.A.C.O.]

On topic, going over it again there were some truly wasted scenes and just silly moments.:

1) The WW opening with her stopping those terrorists in London...what a waste of Roose Bolton. And there's WW killing the guy unnecessarily, and how the bomb that was supposed to blow up several blocks did far less damage.

And the gang overall, they could easily have been part of Darkseid' Earth forces (Intergang, or the Darkseid Cult) but instead they're nothing.

Agreed.

Spruce up and Roose up!

2) The JL just leaving the 3rd Mother Box lying around for Steppenwolf to grab. Utter incompetence.

They fought a god and lived to tell the tale. The paid witness to his resurrection. Awestuck and dumbstuck, indeed. Lol

3) Superman making all the other members utterly redundant. On his own he'd have taken out Steppenwolf to the point they wouldn't have needed Cyborg to interface with the boxes. There's no need for the League.

That's how Snyder wanted. Batman needs the League but the world needs Superman. A lot like how Iron Man could've solved the entirety of Age of Ultron solo, but they made it a team effort. Can you see any X-Men btw? I see Wolverine, but making out the people who are standing behind him is hard.

Haha

4) Batman's gambit being that Superman's lust would overpower his anger.

You've got it wrong man. We used to think Jar Jar was the key.

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She is his world after all.
*gooey romantic mush*

5) WW's fluctuating powers. If her sword could really cut through anything, why didn't she try to cut Steppenwolf's head off? He wasn't terribly fast, and he wasn't even wearing armor around his face and neck!

That's grim dark, man. This is the DCEU. Just like Star Trek TMP had the "new Enterprise". The days of neck snapping, branding criminals, homicide by vehicle and like are over. Now, villains will be ended by their own weapons turned against them (Ares and Steppenwolf).

Hehehe

 

[Jax]

uperman making all the other members utterly redundant. On his own he'd have taken out Steppenwolf to the point they wouldn't have needed Cyborg to interface with the boxes. There's no need for the League.

Without the League, Superman would still be in his coffin.

It is in my personal opinion that it's time for the WB to install Patty Jenkins as the Kevin Feige of the DCEU

It doesn't matter whose in charge if WB execs get in the way. Patty does have some cred with shutting them down as wasn't it reported one exec wanted to cut the No Mans Land scene from WW, which IMO is the defining act of the entire movie.