Yup.
Orville keeps getting better and better
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Yup.
You know what might make a killer episode -- if Kelly and Ed have kind of repaired their relationship to a degree where it seems they are more than just friendly, then something happens to tear them apart again.
And, to borrow a ST: TNG plot idea, both of them end up getting duplicated (Thomas Riker style) by an alien transporter or some other means during a mission, and original Ed and original Kelly find comfort in their doubles, but in the end it's doom for the doubles.
And just to go a route Trek might never: in the end, not even the viewers are sure if it was the doubles who kicked the space bucket or the originals, of a mix of both.
And, to borrow a ST: TNG plot idea, both of them end up getting duplicated (Thomas Riker style) by an alien transporter or some other means during a mission, and original Ed and original Kelly find comfort in their doubles, but in the end it's doom for the doubles.
And just to go a route Trek might never: in the end, not even the viewers are sure if it was the doubles who kicked the space bucket or the originals, of a mix of both.
I agree here. I don't need Discovery to be like The Orville, but I also don't need it to be as dull as it is. Even the episode with Mudd where the crew let their collective hair down (the best so far) felt very forced. Like they don't know how to write people having fun or interacting on a personal level.
Like Ensign Kim.
They actually did that on on Sliders. We still don't know which professor is which.
Orville is Star Trek without the pretense.
Discovery is pretense without the Star Trek.
Discovery is pretense without the Star Trek.
And that's a sig.
Orville is what frat boys who got stoned while watching TNG reruns think Star Trek is about. Discovery is what Star Trek is actually about. Seriously, who turns a date rape story into a silly comedy in 2017?
That makes me really sad.
Seriously, who turns a PTSD rape story into a silly Human-Klingon makeover in 2017?
Seriously, who turns a PTSD rape story into a silly Human-Klingon makeover in 2017?
Hey, now! We saw Klingon titties! That is the culmination of "Roddenberry's Vision"!
Date Rape? I guess the answer to your question is Star Trek, as DS9 had a very similar episode with Lwaxana Troi, and her psychic pheromones affecting the station. I think it was "Fascination," and a silly comedy episode.
And I suppose TNG had a "rage rape" episode that was also similar called "Sarek."
Discovery throws a lot of action at you and goes by fast like a rollercoaster ride and then it's over. Kinda like the last few star trek movies and the star wars movies. I prefer star treks that leave a lasting impression and leave you thinking. All I can say about Discovery is that it has action and that's about it.
"The Naked Now" played Tasha's inebriated seduction of Data for laughs as well. Is the above poster saying that we should have just now figured out date rape is bad?
I was never in a fraternity. But I definitely got stoned whilst watching Star Trek in college.
This problem with the "what is Star Trek?" discussion is most of the time it's pretty reductive. Throughout the 50+ years there's really been one thing that has held true: humanity, or rather human connection.- at least in so far as such an abstract can be quantified. That one little moment in 'Fold' where Isaac holds Claire's hand is quintessential "Star Trek" on so manly levels.
And, despite arguments to the contrary, the three Kelvin films were littered with moments like that - from Sarek telling Spock he loved Amanda to Kirk's ennui at the beginning of BEY. Hell, even the mirrored Khan scene.
There's something palatable to those moments They are what makes the audience understand and relate - and ultimately embrace - the otherwise (literally) alien world. And they have existed in the franchise since the moment Bones realized the woman he once loved was really a monster.
But Discovery is the exact opposite of that. It's human disconnection. And everything from how the characters interact to the very concept of the show is a bout being isolated and separated. The main character was even intentionally made a pariah.
It's cold and sterile, which is reflected in the set design and even the music.
And while I admit the show is getting better there is still no real (authentic) warmth or heart - no lasting connection.
*Oh and about that scene between Claire an Isaac, the smug, 'superior' artificial lifeform showed more humanity in that one moment than anyone on DSC, outside of maybe Stamets, has shown in nine episodes.
This problem with the "what is Star Trek?" discussion is most of the time it's pretty reductive. Throughout the 50+ years there's really been one thing that has held true: humanity, or rather human connection.- at least in so far as such an abstract can be quantified. That one little moment in 'Fold' where Isaac holds Claire's hand is quintessential "Star Trek" on so manly levels.
And, despite arguments to the contrary, the three Kelvin films were littered with moments like that - from Sarek telling Spock he loved Amanda to Kirk's ennui at the beginning of BEY. Hell, even the mirrored Khan scene.
There's something palatable to those moments They are what makes the audience understand and relate - and ultimately embrace - the otherwise (literally) alien world. And they have existed in the franchise since the moment Bones realized the woman he once loved was really a monster.
But Discovery is the exact opposite of that. It's human disconnection. And everything from how the characters interact to the very concept of the show is a bout being isolated and separated. The main character was even intentionally made a pariah.
It's cold and sterile, which is reflected in the set design and even the music.
And while I admit the show is getting better there is still no real (authentic) warmth or heart - no lasting connection.
*Oh and about that scene between Claire an Isaac, the smug, 'superior' artificial lifeform showed more humanity in that one moment than anyone on DSC, outside of maybe Stamets, has shown in nine episodes.
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