Bryan Fuller: Diversity is key

[GeekUSACarl]

your post is specifically making fun of the idea of there only being two sexes, whenthe post your replying too specifically mentions the possibility if more sexes. in fact ive specifically mentioned that possibility twice recently.

im open to the idea that there may only be two or multiple or whatever. im simply saying sex is a scientific thing. be there two or thirty. you cant self identify sex. gender yes but sex no.

 

[Awesome Possum]

your post is specifically making fun of the idea of there only being two sexes, whenthe post your replying too specifically mentions the possibility if more sexes. in fact ive specifically mentioned that possibility twice recently.

im open to the idea that there may only be two or multiple or whatever. im simply saying sex is a scientific thing. be there two or thirty. you cant self identify sex. gender yes but sex no.

Why don’t you start educating me on chromosomes too?

 

[GeekUSACarl]

Why don’t you start educating me on chromosomes too?

im not claiming to be a geneticist. but i know what words mean. sex is science. science may uncover more sexes but whatever it finds will be what it is. its clear you and i disagree. i respect that you do so. i understand were talking about a complex and varied topic. this is truly just my opinion. obviously i think im right as you think youre right.

im pedantic. i know that, its in my nature. i never meant to lecture. as always. its just my opinion. i love that youre a socially open person, and i do appreciate your different opinion.

 

[Awesome Possum]

The very nature of your “opinion” is disrespectful to my existence and profoundly dismissive of medical science that saves lives because because you don’t want to change your opinion about what sex means. I know what it means, I know on a level you’ll never begin to comprehend. I’m done with this discussion because you have no interest in actually learning anything, just repeating your basic understanding of biology.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Neither sex nor gender are binary, even at the chromosome level, so....

 

[GeekUSACarl]

The very nature of your “opinion” is disrespectful to my existence and profoundly dismissive of medical science that saves lives because because you don’t want to change your opinion about what sex means. I know what it means, I know on a level you’ll never begin to comprehend. I’m done with this discussion because you have no interest in actually learning anything, just repeating your basic understanding of biology.

well i cant stop or change what youre going to be offended about. needless to say i disagree with your assessment as to medical science on sex and biology. how offended you are is if course your business. i think ive made my point that gender is fluid, sex is not, however sex may very well be non binary it is not self identifiable as gender is. i do not believe sex and gender are the same thing. i believe someone can self identify their gender, they cannot however change their sex. i believe in a future progressive society gender roles may look drastically different than they do now.

if that offends you the. thats your business.

 

[Awesome Possum]

Neither sex nor gender are binary, even at the chromosome level, so....

Exactly.

 

[Awesome Possum]

well i cant stop or change what youre going to be offended about. needless to say i disagree with your assessment as to medical science on sex and biology. how offended you are is if course your business. i think ive made my point that gender is fluid, sex is not, however sex may very well be non binary it is not self identifiable as gender is. i do not believe sex and gender are the same thing. i believe someone can self identify their gender, they cannot however change their sex. i believe in a future progressive society gender roles may look drastically different than they do now.

if that offends you the. thats your business.

Your point of view is based on undated information and you refuse to even do the minimal research that Google could provide because it invalidates that opinion. I'm not offended by your POV, I'm offended that your ignorance is somehow considered equal to facts and that you can be that dismissive of an entire portion of the population as you would someone's opinion about some random Star Trek episode.

 

[Ithekro]

How outdated? One year, ten years, twenty years, fifty years?

 

[GeekUSACarl]

Your point of view is based on undated information and you refuse to even do the minimal research that Google could provide because it invalidates that opinion. I'm not offended by your POV, I'm offended that your ignorance is somehow considered equal to facts and that you can be that dismissive of an entire portion of the population as you would someone's opinion about some random Star Trek episode.

no im just airing my opinion and no it is not based on outdated information. my opinion is simply different from yours.

dont you find it kinda poetic that the one whos offended by someone insisting they are inarguably right is the one clutching their pearls claiming they are inarguably right?

 

[CorporalCaptain]

no im just airing my opinion and no it is not based on outdated information. my opinion is simply different from yours.

That's factually incorrect.

 

[Succubint]

https://www.joshuakennon.com/the-six-common-biological-sexes-in-humans/

An easy to read article. Pertinent part:

The Six Most Common Karyotypes

The six biological karyotype sexes that do not result in death to the fetus are:

• X – Roughly 1 in 2,000 to 1 in 5,000 people (Turner’s )
• XX – Most common form of female
• XXY – Roughly 1 in 500 to 1 in 1,000 people (Klinefelter)
• XY – Most common form of male
• XYY – Roughly 1 out of 1,000 people
• XXXY – Roughly 1 in 18,000 to 1 in 50,000 births

When you consider that there are 7,000,000,000 alive on the planet, there are almost assuredly tens of millions of people who are not male or female.

https://www.nature.com/news/sex-redefined-1.16943

 

[Awesome Possum]

Your opinions do not equal facts.
https://www.nature.com/news/sex-redefined-1.16943
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/sa-visual/visualizing-sex-as-a-spectrum/

I however have scientific backing. But keep telling yourself, it's "just my opinion".

 

[Agony_Boothb]

no im just airing my opinion and no it is not based on outdated information. my opinion is simply different from yours.

dont you find it kinda poetic that the one whos offended by someone insisting they are inarguably right is the one clutching their pearls claiming they are inarguably right?

Enough, man. Stop being so goddamn insensitive in order to win an argument.

 

[Satron]

https://www.joshuakennon.com/the-six-common-biological-sexes-in-humans/

An easy to read article. Pertinent part:



https://www.nature.com/news/sex-redefined-1.16943

Two common forms. One form that doesn't affect the person adversely. Three forms that are sever defects that renders the person infertile or kills them prematurely. Zero forms relate to transsexual persons. Zero forms relate to diversity in Star Trek.

 

[GeekUSACarl]

Your opinions do not equal facts.
https://www.nature.com/news/sex-redefined-1.16943
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/sa-visual/visualizing-sex-as-a-spectrum/

I however have scientific backing. But keep telling yourself, it's "just my opinion".

no, my opinions do equal facts. you need to go back and re read the posts youve been arguing. ive specifically stated more than once the idea that there are more than two sexes and even stated for all i know in the future that there may be more.

i didnt say there were only two sexes. in fact two of my posts that you did quote specifically stated the idea that future science continuing to find more and how that may fit into a science fiction future.

did you read those posts when you quoted them? it was pretty specific. now im not even sure what you were arguing. since i made such obvious remarks about them i assumed you were arguing something else entirely.

 

[GeekUSACarl]

Enough, man. Stop being so goddamn insensitive in order to win an argument.

you and i have very different opinions on what constitutes insensitive but ive re-read this entire exchange and i dont see insensitivity at all. this to me seems a discussion and one that got rather confusing. either way i enjoy the discussion. yes i have a different opinion but it isnt like im harassing anyone. im not engaging in a conversation that no one else is engaging in.

 

[Four Lights]

I'm not in the least bit satisfied.

No trans-gendered or gender-fluid cast member?
No physically challenged cast member?
No vietnam-era veteran cast member?
No cast members belonging to a radical terrorist organization?
No obese cast members?
No meth-addicted cast members?
No cast members who were previously sex workers?
No cast members who voted for Trump?

Until Star Trek finally puts its money where its mouth is with regard to fair and equal representation of all members of humanity, it's nothing but a typical Hollywood racist-fest wrapped up in weak, disguised handwaving while claiming to be progressive and modern. I'll boycott. Because canon, too...and CBS All Access making us pay.

Rage.

Yeah yeah yeah, a few groups in society other than straight white men are getting a bit more exposure in something. However will you survive the horror of it all!

 

[ichab]

you and i have very different opinions on what constitutes insensitive but ive re-read this entire exchange and i dont see insensitivity at all. this to me seems a discussion and one that got rather confusing. either way i enjoy the discussion. yes i have a different opinion but it isnt like im harassing anyone. im not engaging in a conversation that no one else is engaging in.

You were spot on and there was nothing wrong with anything you said. Some people just need to leave their personal life and hangups in TNZ.

 

[GeekUSACarl]

You were spot on and there was nothing wrong with anything you said. Some people just need to leave their personal life and hangups in TNZ.

i almost agree with you. discussion would get pretty boring if people werent themselves though