Quiet, Mr. Chekov.
When Do You Want To See Burnham Become The STD Captain?
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Because it is the star job. The traditional focus of attention. For Michael not to be a Captain might mean she is not the star of the show. Yet she is the lead and that is part of what I believe Discovery wants to examine. Having a lead that has questionable status.
Worf committed murder on a Federation starship, and went on to command the Defiant. In fact, based on on screen evidence, the Federation looked less kindly on his saving his wife than on killing Duras on the flagship.
Michael knows what she thinks her fate should be after the war..
Michael: Well, I’ll be going back to prison forever, so … have fun fishing, I guess.
Ash: Oh wow, I didn’t think about that. Let’s just not have the war, then, so you never have to go back to prison.
Sweet, isn't it?
Michael: Well, I’ll be going back to prison forever, so … have fun fishing, I guess.
Ash: Oh wow, I didn’t think about that. Let’s just not have the war, then, so you never have to go back to prison.
Sweet, isn't it?
Worf killed Duras on a Klingon ship.
And it wasn’t murder, it was a duel.
Why would they be? Neither of them committed a crime.
Especially not Spock, because the kunat kalifee is part of Vulcan law and tradition. And therefore it must also be recognized under Federation law, because Vulcan is a Federation member.
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Assuming he gets the rank of Commander back, what about commanding a frigate or destroyer?
I would be happy with that. She doesn't have to be captain in the show.
Bowe deserted his post and attempted to join the enemy. How is that minor?
For counter example, Tom Paris was convicted of treason and yet was given a rank, capable of being promoted and demoted within the chain of command. Similarly, Chakotay was able to continue with another Starfleet career after leaving it to join Maquis.
Exactly.
And with Fleet Admiral Pike, including falsifying Starfleet documents, and going to a forbidden planet. Basically, usurping the lawful chain of command for personal gain.
No rank.
Prisoner.
Life sentence.
Even if Burnham got her sentence commuted, that's not necessarily going to get her commission back.
Worst case, if life means 40 years, and not literally life, the Federation will dump her on the first moon they find past the Federation border, like in Rambo, and tell her to keep walking.
Prisoner.
Life sentence.
Even if Burnham got her sentence commuted, that's not necessarily going to get her commission back.
Worst case, if life means 40 years, and not literally life, the Federation will dump her on the first moon they find past the Federation border, like in Rambo, and tell her to keep walking.
You have a pretty good knowledge of Star Trek. What example is there of a character who committed mutiny and then became Captain. Maybe it will happen.
Spock committed mutiny, but got the charges dropped. On a different occasion Spock circumvented the chain of command and order a course change. His final rank in Starfleet was Captain.
So he wasn't sentenced. This has to be an important distinction.
Michael may get her sentence reduced or commuted. To have her declared 'innocent' I really don't think that would be appropriate. She did attack Georgiou etc. If Starfleet as determined by the flick of a pen want her as Captain that will happen.
I would enjoy that as well.
Who is asking for her to be declared "innocent?" How many Starfleet captains are "innocent?"
How many Starfleet Captains have been made Captain after previously been sentenced for mutiny? Must have happened, everything seems to have already happened on Star Trek.
Since no one can get their stories straight on mutinies, the answer is probably "off the record."
Uh, no. Bergdahl was convicted of desertion. There's no evidence he attempted to join the Taliban. Otherwise, he'd be doing serious time. Bergdahl's offenses were minor enough to avoid any prison time while the "enlightened" Federation felt Burnham's crimes were severe enough to warrant life imprisonment.
Chakotay's rank was provisional and it's unclear whether or not Janeway had the authority to permanently reinstate Paris's rank. In any case, there's no canon evidence that either retained their Starfleet commissions after Voyager returned to the Alpha Quadrant. And even if they did remain in Starfleet, I doubt either would be in line for starship command after their perfidious association with the Maquis.
Also, Paris was serving an eighteen month sentence for treason. Clearly his transgression was deemed far less severe than Burnham's. You don't sentence someone to life in prison, then turn around a year or two later and give them a starship command.
Burnham was given the maximum possible sentence under Federation law for her crimes: life in prison. No other "hero" character in Star Trek has ever committed crimes of this magnitude. Not Kirk in STIII, not Spock in "The Menagerie", not the Maquis rebels. Without a huge reset button, there's no plausible way for Burnham to be trusted with command in Starfleet. It would violate everything we know about the Star Trek universe and make a mockery of the chain of command.
That's a bit over the top.
I actually think the Captain Tilly thing is going somewhere. The spores might also connect to other universes which could get us to the Mirror universe or time doesn’t have any meaning. Stamets seems to be seeing something that made him see Captain Tilly. So Tilly is either captain in the future or she’s captain of the Mirror Discovery.
