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Spoilers DC's Legends of Tomorrow - Season 3

His secret project was the skyping across time thing.

Yeah, I realize that...My assumption was made before the reveal.

Though, I do wonder about the logic of using such a device. Stein theoretically had the ability to travel back to the day he left, but things get more complicated when you're directly involved in a particular time period. Couldn't the use of such a device in fact screw up Stein's safe ability to come back to see the birth of his grandchild (assuming he was in communication during the birth via the communication device). It seems to me that the communication device actually creates more problems than it solves.
 
Stein theoretically had the ability to travel back to the day he left, but things get more complicated when you're directly involved in a particular time period.

I just chalk that off to timey wimey stuff... theoretically yeah, they should be able to return to the moment they left, but in practice they've been moving through "real" time even when they weren't in "current" time.

It was implicit even before Stein invented that thing, like they always line up nicely for crossovers, and how they didn't pick Amaya up again the day she went back, but apparently she spent the exact number of days in 1942 that they spent in 2017...
 
Just hit up the google to re-confirm but they made Neil McD a regular this season...when is he going to show up?
 
I loved it ... The '80s nostalgia, a young Ray Palmer finding a juvenile Dominator, the nod to ET - it all felt like Stranger Things on Netflix, except Ray was a loner and didn't have many friends, or any friends for that matter.

I can see Zari being a love interest for Ray later on, especially since they share many things in common. So Zari's powers are basically Avatar The Airbender-based? That makes sense since the assassin is a water elemental.
 
The episode had two anachronisms. The baby Dominator and young Ray's VCR.

That VCR is from the early to mid 1990's not late 1980's. I know this because we actually owned that very model. I remember getting it sometime around 1996 and recording Sci-Fi era Mystery Science Theater 3000 with it.
 
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Finally all caught up! I still wish that we could have dwelt upon dinos in LA for at least an episode, even with the inevitable budget constraints

What could they have done, really? It was already established that Amaya could commune with dinosaurs and calm them that way, so it seems it would've been pretty straightforward. Besides, the dinosaurs were only one anachronism in that montage.


- Okay, so the dystopian Star City from that S1 episode was probably re-written at some point (I mean, I'm sure it was, but I get fuzzy on the details)... but this dystopian Seattle is apparently legitimate, timestream-wise?

Unclear. Jax told Zari that dealing with it was "on our to-do list," so either he's throwing temporal integrity out the window or it's just a potential future.


Also, the water assassin is apparently a descendant of Amaya's?

Kuasa was the main antagonist in the Vixen animated webseries. She's Mari/Vixen's older sister and thus Amaya/Vixen's other granddaughter. She got her water powers from the Zambesi water totem that's one of the siblings of the Anansi Totem that the Vixens wear. And she and Ray met and fought in season 2 of Vixen, so I don't get why he doesn't recognize her. Unless she's changed appearance in her resurrection. She was voiced by Anika Noni Rose, and I assume her character design was modeled on Rose, since they cast the roles with an eye toward live-action appearances. Tracy Ifeachor does look somewhat similar, but younger, and her voice is different. I think the animated Kuasa had an African accent of some sort.


What's to keep those agents from abducting/killing little Ray in the future?

Maybe the team wiped their memories? That would be an ironic thing to do to Men in Black.

It took me a while to realize that the head agent in the glasses was "Smith," the same government spook who dealt with the Dominators in "Invasion!"


And that little "reality/fantasy" "tough love" could have easily screwed up Ray's life (convincing him to avoid taking the risks needed to become a billionaire superhero inventor). These guys don't ever think things through...

Which is exactly why Zari realized she had to go against her usual type and be the optimistic one. Ray was threatening his own past by discouraging his young self, and she realized it was important to help him hold onto hope.


That was just so much fun, from Zari's recapping the team dynamics for first time viewers during Ray's teambuilding, all the way to Mick literally stealing candy from kids at the end.

I liked the bit where he casually spoke of his fondness for musicals, and the bit where he unhesitatingly acted to help Stein get home for his grandson's birth even after suspecting him of treason just moments before.


I really liked Zari in this episode, she seems a fine addition to the team, definitely did not expect them to put her in the Isis costume so soon, so that was a nice surprise. :D

I'm disappointed we didn't get a more full-length look. The original Isis actress, JoAnna Cameron, was cast largely because she had great legs. We couldn't even tell how short Zari's skirt was here.


Is there a precedent for having one person turn into Firestorm? I haven't followed him, in the comics, for a couple decades at least. Have they ever done that with the character?

According to Wikipedia, it's happened more than once. Different people have held the "Firestorm matrix" singly or together. There was a time when Stein was dead and his disembodied consciousness inhabited a Firestorm fused from Ronnie Raymond and one other person. There was a time when both Ronnie and Jason Rusch were separate Firestorms. And so forth.


So you would just assume that Wally and Barry had the same exact job and origin, and that all the kid Flash/Barry disappearing stuff happened before the JL was even formed? On JLU, Wally was implied to have always been the Flash, and was the only Flash ever used. How does this fit with the 90s Flash?

I don't recall if the DCAU ever established Wally's origin. I just figure he was a protege of Barry's who somehow gained powers and took over as the Flash sometime before "Speed Demons." Yes, I acknowledge that it's an imperfect fit, but no more so than Static Shock going from treating Superman as a fictional character in its first season to actually being part of the DCAU in its subsequent seasons.


So Zari's powers are basically Avatar The Airbender-based? That makes sense since the assassin is a water elemental.

In the original show, Isis was basically omnipotent -- she controlled all the elements, she had psychic powers and telekinesis, she could transmute objects or phase through solid matter, she could change the flow of time, etc. She could do anything a given episode required, constrained only by the tiny budget of a live-action Saturday morning TV show. She was also superstrong and a skilled fighter, although the action in the show was pretty nonviolent.

The comics' Isis was given a connection to Black Adam and the Marvel Family (i.e. Shazam/Captain Marvel and his "sibling" heroes), so she had their superstrength, flight, etc. plus elemental powers.

As for Zari's totem, it's unclear whether it has more powers than just air control. The Arrowverse Wiki assumes it's the Zambesi Air Totem from Vixen season 2, the sibling to the Vixens' Spirit Totem and Kuasa's Water Totem, but it doesn't look anything like that one. I'm guessing that Zari's only begun to discover its powers.
 
Okay, I don't even have any personal fondness for E.T., but "Phone Home" was still an engine of pure delight from start to finish. ("Ray, you never mentioned your mother used to be hot!" "Why would I mention that?!") And bringing back Agent Antarctica from the "Invasion!" crossover was inspired, though maybe his hair should have had a few gray streaks by that point?

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Dear Legends of Tomorrow, I love you, you're perfect, never change.

What could they have done, really? It was already established that Amaya could commune with dinosaurs and calm them that way, so it seems it would've been pretty straightforward. Besides, the dinosaurs were only one anachronism in that montage.
Doesn't a catastrophic anachronism pile-up suggest all sorts of crazy possibilities? With their time ship disabled (and Amaya's dino-taming abilities temporarily neutralized by techspeak time shockwaves), they could have tried, and failed, to bring order to a world falling apart, with Rip's Deus Ex Machina rescue at the end. That way, we could really have felt the consequences of "breaking Time" - although, I realize as I type that maybe then their persistent Rip-may-care flippancy would have been permanently broken. Eh, I don't believe there was no possible middle ground that could have been woven between those extremes... Though the premiere wasn't bad, I still maintain it was a letdown from the excitement the cliffhanger promised.
 
Setting an episode in England gave Franz Drameh a chance to use his real accent for a bit, though only briefly. And Maisie Richardson-Sellers didn't get to use her real accent at all, unfortunately.


"Return of the Mack"...

I don't understand what the title means. I gather it's a song allusion, but I don't know the song, so I have no idea what it has to do with the episode. Unless the "return" part has something to do with Darhk's return.

I thought I recognized the woman who revived Darkh. It was Brandon Routh's wife Courtney Ford.

And her character name is Eleanor Darhk, apparently. Ancestor?

Speaking of which, I don't see why we needed a lookalike ancestor of Stein. He served no purpose in the story.

Did Mick ever finish reading Dracula? He's a faster reader than I would've thought, judging from his page rate in that scene.


"...we're in a time in which women can't vote and the internet's not a thing. Savages."

Ummm...Don't you come from a dystopian nightmare?

There have been many dystopias throughout history.
 
Setting an episode in England gave Franz Drameh a chance to use his real accent for a bit, though only briefly. And Maisie Richardson-Sellers didn't get to use her real accent at all, unfortunately.
I think Franz's accent was a bit of a put-on.

I don't understand what the title means. I gather it's a song allusion, but I don't know the song, so I have no idea what it has to do with the episode. Unless the "return" part has something to do with Darhk's return.
The song features quite prominently in the episode and it definitely reflects Darhk's return.
 
By the way, I realized this morning that Eleanor "Nora" Darhk is the name of Damien Darhk's daughter from Arrow. This must be her from the future, all grown up.
 
"Return of the Mack"...

I thought I recognized the woman who revived Darkh. It was Brandon Routh's wife Courtney Ford.

Love the song, btw.
And then you realize she got prego by Lucifier and had his son Jack whom is a Nephilim and helping Sam an Dean. She does get around, just when you thought she died giving birth when it was she just went into the past.
 
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