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Spoilers DC's Legends of Tomorrow - Season 3

Kind of funny that only one of the four detected were actually metahuman.

I suppose it would've been a bit anti-climactic if Ray and Zari just flew away from water woman?

Nitpicking aside, that was a decently fun episode and I found Nate's tripping to be funny.
 
I'm inclined to agree, actually, but it's only a strong implication, not something that's ever been overtly confirmed.
Though after I posted, I thought of one significant sticking point: Iris West. The character only appeared in the first episode of the old Flash show, but she was played by a different actress, of a different race, and she was "our" Iris's age a quarter-century ago. She's actually harder to reconcile than the Flash himself, since it's easy enough to theorize that the man known as Henry Allen on Earth 1 was instead named Bartholomew on Earth pick-a-number, and became the Flash on that Earth just as his son did on the present series.
 
^ And didn't we see Batman '89 posters?

As for the different versions of Iris West, maybe some counterparts have bigger deviations than others.

I'd still love to see Paula Marshall on the show though. I wonder what they'd do with her.
 
Fun episode! This show continues to be funny on so many levels with laugh-out-loud moments. "Prison break? I'm in!" :D-

ARGUS' anti-methuman regime in 2042 reminded me of the premise of FOX's The Gifted: mutants are treated as criminals and are hunted down by a government entity, i.e., Sentinel Services.

If Zari's native timeline is the mid 21st century, then she doesn't really belong with the Legends. But then again, neither should Amaya.

Ballsy move by Sara. Was she really willing to sacrifice the Waverider, or did she know deep down that Agent Sharpe was going to back down? ;)
 
I'm predicting that Rip tries to support the Legends and that Agent Sharpe stages a coup and kicks Rip out of the Time Bureau. Sharpe seems to care very little about Rip's opinions at this point.
 
I had a dream last night in which I was Barry Allen (or acting in his stead as myself) at a social gathering of the heroes in the midst of some sort of crossover/team-up (maybe the reception for the upcoming Barry-Iris wedding?), and Mick Rory was chilling in an armchair, and I/Barry went up to him and tried to engage him in a conversation about the morality of robbing banks. Rory was simply unable or unwilling to understand why anyone would object to him robbing banks, or why he should care if they did. Eventually, faced with his complete impenetrability but aware that I still had to accept him as a colleague in the greater heroing community, I/Barry ended up with a feeble request that he just avoid robbing banks in Central City. I don't recall how he responded, but I imagine it would've been something like "No promises."


Though after I posted, I thought of one significant sticking point: Iris West. The character only appeared in the first episode of the old Flash show, but she was played by a different actress, of a different race, and she was "our" Iris's age a quarter-century ago. She's actually harder to reconcile than the Flash himself, since it's easy enough to theorize that the man known as Henry Allen on Earth 1 was instead named Bartholomew on Earth pick-a-number, and became the Flash on that Earth just as his son did on the present series.

The '90 show also had its own different versions of Captain Cold (called Leonard Wynters instead of Snart) and Mirror Master/Sam Scudder.


^ And didn't we see Batman '89 posters?

Both Batman and Superman. However, sometimes you just have to ignore such details. Static Shock had an early episode where Superman/Clark Kent was discussed as a fictional character, but later on it was integrated into the DC Animated Universe and eventually had Superman appear in it as a real person. In turn, Superman: TAS had Lois Lane refer to Wonder Woman years before Wonder Woman first came to the outside world in Justice League.

Personally, I tend to think that the '90 Flash is actually in the DC Animated Universe, since Mark Hamill's Trickster showed up in a JLU episode, and since The Flash and Batman: TAS shared a similar retro/Art Deco aesthetic combined with modern technology. (And since the S:TAS Flash episode reused Shirley Walker's Flash leitmotif from the live-action series.) If that were so, then that Earth would have a lot of incompatible versions of characters from the Arrowverse -- Wally, Green Arrow, Black Canary, Superman, Supergirl, Atom, you name it.



ARGUS' anti-methuman regime in 2042 reminded me of the premise of FOX's The Gifted: mutants are treated as criminals and are hunted down by a government entity, i.e., Sentinel Services.

Not to mention The CW's The Tomorrow People remake from a few years back, which was Berlanti-produced and showrun by LoT's showrunner Phil Klemmer. Although that was a covert agency hunting them rather than overt government crackdown. But that's been seen in previous franchises too, and of course it's been a common X-Men trope ever since the first Sentinel stories in the '60s and the original "Days of Future Past" comics storyline in 1981. Even The Incredibles is set in a world where superheroes are outlawed, although they're just registered, monitored, and proscribed from using their powers rather than imprisoned and experimented on.


If Zari's native timeline is the mid 21st century, then she doesn't really belong with the Legends. But then again, neither should Amaya.

I don't see how being taken out of 2042 is any different from being taken out of the 2010s, as far as the greater flow of time is concerned. "Now" is only "now" to us. It doesn't have any greater innate cosmic now-ness than any other time. The relevant issue seems to be, is someone's presence in their own time necessary for future events? Rip chose the Legends because they weren't actually going to become legends in their own time, because none of them would have a meaningful destiny if they stayed in the 2010s, and thus they could be safely taken out of the timeline without disrupting it. Amaya, on the other hand, has an important destiny because of her role as Zambesi's defender and the forerunner of future generations of Vixens. So taking her out of her time is disruptive to the future.

So the question is, does taking Zari out of her time disrupt the future? I'd say it probably doesn't, because if she'd stayed in her time, she probably would've been captured and killed by Evil ARGUS before much longer.


Ballsy move by Sara. Was she really willing to sacrifice the Waverider, or did she know deep down that Agent Sharpe was going to back down? ;)

Sara's fought both with and against Sharpe. That gave her the opportunity to size up Sharpe's character and judge how she'd react. Also, she knows that Sharpe is a trained and disciplined company woman, not an ex-assassin. When it came down to it, she'd never be crazy enough to sacrifice herself, her crew, and an expensive piece of Time Bureau hardware just to win a game of chicken. And, given her opinion of the Legends, she'd believe that Sara was crazy enough.
 
Kind of funny that only one of the four detected were actually metahuman.

Given the kind of oppressive regime it is, they probably outlawed "fellow travelers" as well, i.e. non-metahuman superheroes. And given that superhero identities are generally secret, they may not have known which heroes had innate powers and which used tech or magic.
 
I enjoy the fact this show doesn't really take itself or the situations all that seriously; but WHY to the writers constantly have Sarah Lance/White Canary constantly splitting up Professor Stein and Jax in a lot of situations. I mean come on, I know 'Firestorm' is expensive to show on screen, but it really gets ridiculous in dangerous situation to say - "Hey, I'm going to make sure one of our most powerful assets ISN'T available in a pinch..."
 
Finally all caught up! I still wish that we could have dwelt upon dinos in LA for at least an episode, even with the inevitable budget constraints, but when the show remains this zippy and funny, it's hard to gripe. :bolian:

I was thinking that the bed bath and beyound was an AI purgatory developed by an enemy.
Me, too! There was a moment, when we got an abrupt edit from Sarah attacking her boss to him scolding her from seconds before, where I totally flashed back to Melinda May's building-escape program.

- Okay, so the dystopian Star City from that S1 episode was probably re-written at some point (I mean, I'm sure it was, but I get fuzzy on the details)... but this dystopian Seattle is apparently legitimate, timestream-wise? It'll be interesting to see if that gets developed. Also, the water assassin is apparently a descendant of Amaya's?

- One quibble I will make is the show's complete forgetting (?) of Rip's family. Agent Sharpe (IIRC) even mentions them briefly, but with no discussion of their status, now that Savage is dead before Rip and the woman's kid was due to be born.

- Is the new (?) Waverider shuttle a complete duplicate of the NX-01-era shuttlepods, or what?! I was kind of disappointed that Nate was able to synthesize the mysterious flower; seemed to me he should have explained that he took the pod on a gathering mission and found the real deal.
 
What's to keep those agents from abducting/killing little Ray in the future? And that little "reality/fantasy" "tough love" could have easily screwed up Ray's life (convincing him to avoid taking the risks needed to become a billionaire superhero inventor). These guys don't ever think things through...
 
Martin should get rid of that communicator and then he could take the Waverider to see the baby's birth whenever he wants. :)
 
These guys don't ever think things through...

That's their team motto. :techman:

That was just so much fun, from Zari's recapping the team dynamics for first time viewers during Ray's teambuilding, all the way to Mick literally stealing candy from kids at the end. And it wasn't just entertaining it tugged at heartstrings in equal measure along the way and Gumball was so adorable. Might just be my favourite episode of the show so far.

I really liked Zari in this episode, she seems a fine addition to the team, definitely did not expect them to put her in the Isis costume so soon, so that was a nice surprise. :D

(Hmm, if they make Firestorm a solo act they'll have no excuse not to use him because Stein and Jax are "accidentally" separated...)
 
Is there a precedent for having one person turn into Firestorm? I haven't followed him, in the comics, for a couple decades at least. Have they ever done that with the character?
 
Nuclear fusion. Atoms joining creates power.

Multiplex is an example of nuclear fission (in the comics, from the 80s, they were both made in the same origin story).

A while back, a version of the Jason Rusch Firestorm was compared to a vampire, because of could join with anyone, or keep adding more individuals to the matrix, but they degraded quickly, and died if they stayed inside Firestorm too long.
 
Personally, I tend to think that the '90 Flash is actually in the DC Animated Universe, since Mark Hamill's Trickster showed up in a JLU episode, and since The Flash and Batman: TAS shared a similar retro/Art Deco aesthetic combined with modern technology. (And since the S:TAS Flash episode reused Shirley Walker's Flash leitmotif from the live-action series.) If that were so, then that Earth would have a lot of incompatible versions of characters from the Arrowverse -- Wally, Green Arrow, Black Canary, Superman, Supergirl, Atom, you name it.

So you would just assume that Wally and Barry had the same exact job and origin, and that all the kid Flash/Barry disappearing stuff happened before the JL was even formed? On JLU, Wally was implied to have always been the Flash, and was the only Flash ever used. How does this fit with the 90s Flash?

Martin should get rid of that communicator and then he could take the Waverider to see the baby's birth whenever he wants. :)

As soon as I saw that, and the two timelines running simultaneously with real time communications, I annoyed everyone around me by pausing the show and announcing: Well now we know where the (technology for the) radio from Frequency came from.....

Seeing Zari in costume was pretty fun!
 
I assumed Professor Stein's secret project was a way to keep Jax stable post-Stein's death. Or am I misunderstanding the situation? Can Jax currently survive without Stein?
 
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