Spoilers Walking Dead Season 8 discussion and spoilers.

[137th Gebirg]

Jesus is trying very hard to be everyone's conscience. Unfortunately, historically, people who hold the souls of the group don't last long (Dale, Hershel and Glenn, to a point). I think the decision to spare the irredeemable saviors at Hilltop is going to horribly backfire, maybe giving shitstain Gregory leverage to regain power over those who let them in - if they survive the insurrection.

Daryl was always one of the most coldly savage of the group. Carol is up there, but she still tries to reason things out on occasion. Although after that's done and there is no choice but to kill, Carol steps up without hesitation. I think Daryl just doesn't care anymore. Too much death and killing has the potential to make life cheap in one's mind. He was Negan's prisoner - to some degree tortured and definitely humiliated. It is completely reasonable and in-character for him to just want to blow anyone away who proudly claims him/herself as "I am Negan!" Rick has been and ever shall be "lawful-good". It's written inexorably in his DNA. He has his badass moments when pinned to a wall, but he will always revert back to his "I'm a cop" state due to the strong nature of his character. He wants to build a better world - he knows he needs to crack some heads to do it, but he feels his cause is righteous. He wants to do continuous reality checks with himself to ensure he, himself, is not becoming a soulless murderer like Negan. In his future world post-Negan utopia, there will be no room in that world for monsters.

Whether or not that's a realistic goal remains to be seen.

 

[crookeddy]

So, in peacetime, will Rick kill Daryl?

 

[137th Gebirg]

If Daryl gets to close to becoming a kind of Negan clone, it may happen.

In fact, it might be the flashpoint for a whole new future season where Daryl's uber-nihilist philosophy on life causes him to split from the group and take some of the more militant members with him, causing a new conflict. The whole season will explore whether or not he can be redeemed and return or if Rick will be forced to put him down like the rabid dog he seems to be devolving into.

If this happens, it will happen way before anyone experiences the kind of peace they're looking for. Peace means the end of the series.

 

[crookeddy]

If Daryl gets to close to becoming a kind of Negan clone, it may happen.

In fact, it might be the flashpoint for a whole new future season where Daryl's uber-nihilist philosophy on life causes him to split from the group and take some of the more militant members with him, causing a new conflict. The whole season will explore whether or not he can be redeemed and return or if Rick will be forced to put him down like the rabid dog he seems to be devolving into.

If this happens, it will happen way before anyone experiences the kind of peace they're looking for. Peace means the end of the series.

There can never be total peace. People still die and turn into zombies.

 

[Morpheus 02]

Man, that was a waste of Morales...it was nice continuity to mention the Alabama destination..but it would have been nice if he made it to Fear. They could have rightfully claimed a TWD /Fear crossover.

I am shocked and disappointed that Darryl didn't give Morales at least a chance to say something.

Some overconfidence with the Kingdom..though if i saw the scene right (and the poll was correct), it looks like Jerry did NOT get shocked as someone else took the bullet for Ezekiel.

The Savior who shot the Kingdom kid really needs to get his tongue cut out. Or, if Gavin came and shot that Savior and then surrendered to Ezekiel. That might work out...

 

[137th Gebirg]

There can never be total peace. People still die and turn into zombies.

Unless someone actually found a cure. Then there would be the total peace and, ergo, end of the series (and "Fear", too, for that matter).

 

[Trekker4747]

I thought that was good episode, wish we had gotten more with Morales and, maybe, him joining Team Rick, but alas. Daryl does seem to have gone more to the "dark side" than Rick has as Rick seems to more-or-less be on a "gray side" (See: him "shotting over the head" of the guy at the gas station in the season opener) and likely intended to let the guy go, he shot Daryl a nasty look when he killed the guy.

Shallow moment: But when Maggie was walking away from Greggory I couldn't help but notice how great her ass looked in those jeans.

I kind of see where Jesus is coming from on his POWs but he's going to stash all of those people (what a couple dozen?) inside of a couple trailers and keep them all fed, contained, and see to their bathroom needs? I'd think The Kingdom more has the available space and resources to maybe do that.

No surprise on the ambush on The Kingdom given the over-confidence expressed by Ezekiel and his boasting about how they didn't lose anyone.

Cool fight between Jesus and Morgan, actually for a split moment though Morgan had killed Jesus with his bo staff.

I'm not easily moved or swayed by emotional displays of romantic love but the scenes with Aaron and Eric were very touching including Aaron's kissing Eric from "emotional momentum." Not surprised Eric died, but felt for Aaron when he saw Walker Eric (I wonder why he, or the other guy, didn't put Walker Eric down?) (I can't help but wonder how many closed-minded viewers were "triggered" by the homosexual kiss between the two men.)

"Good" episode. Looking forward to next week.

 

[Evil Twin]

Dale's not worthy of your death list? Damn, Rick, that's cold.

Also looks like Rick forgot to include "ask Maggie for Herschel's unlimited ammo code" on his list before going to war.

 

[Jayson1]

Dale's not worthy of your death list? Damn, Rick, that's cold.

Also looks like Rick forgot to include "ask Maggie for Herschel's unlimited ammo code" on his list before going to war.

Not just Dale but T-Dog as well and maybe the black lady from season 1 whose name I forget. DId Morales leave the group before going to the CDC?

I liked the episode and found the pancake bit really funny with Gregory. I also notice how hot Maggie looked but I also noticed that she doesn't look very pregnant. Shouldn't she be showing by now? At least put her in a puffy shirt and not skin tight jeans to help sell the illusion. I also got teary eyed at Aaron and Eric basically saying goodbye and especially the end were zombie Eric is walking off in the distant. I forget who said I liked what was said about "That's not really him" and they did all of this despite the fact that Eric had been a glorified extra for a few years now.

I loved the Morales scene. Great way to not only show how far Darryl is sinking but a great way to surprise the audience because I bet nobody could predict something like that happening in that specific moment. I also wonder about the prisoners and i'm not sure why they are keeping them alive. Everyone involved is a solider and not a worker on the inside. I know in our world you wouldn't just execute prisoners of war but in this world it makes the most sense.

Jason

 

[Big Data]

First one this season that I thought was pretty good. Team Morgan all the way.

 

[Starkers]

Shallow moment: But when Maggie was walking away from Greggory I couldn't help but notice how great her ass looked in those jeans.

I have to admit I had very similar thoughts! I agree with the thought that she doesn't look very pregnant as yet, but I guess time wise not that long has passed so maybe she wouldn't be showing yet?

So Daryl killed two people and in both cases Rick shot him a WTF look. Something's definitely brewing there.

I know most people will come down on the Tara/Morgan side of the argument re the prisoners but Jesus does have a point, and while many of the saviours are evil scum, surely some of them are redeemable? Also killing in combat is one thing, lining people up to execute them something else! Surely (eventual) exile is a possibility? (of course this line of thought may well be reason #40 why I wouldn't survive the apocalypse

 

[137th Gebirg]

I dunno - I guess I'm a cold-hearted bastard. As soon as I would have discovered that many of the Saviors in one spot I would have chucked some grenades in, shut the garage door and hit the ground. There are simply too many of them to be considered safe in any way. The long-hair arrogant one is just begging to have his head turned into wall salsa the second he opened his mouth. They've been on top for too long and don't know how to realize (at least, in that precise moment) that they've been beat. Antagonizing the people with the guns is just inviting trouble. Jesus' preventing Morgan from doing what he thinks is the right thing is a big mistake, IMO. I would have definitely helped Morgan finish the job.

 

[Big Data]

Jesus is the weakest link. Goodbye.

 

[Random_Spock]

Intense ep tonight. I'll have to give it another watch. Didn't spot the Rick/Daryl tension the first time around. And I feel terrible about Shiva. I'm gonna miss that tiger.

 

[auntiehill]

Well, so much for the Kingdom. But to be honest, I'm more upset about the loss of a CGI tiger than those people from the Kingdom.

Glad to see more of Jerry; he's a great character.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

The Walking Dead--
"Some Guy"

So, the war goes south for the alliance, or, part of the war. Redshirts galore. Best scenes of the episode was Ezekiel not knowing how to handle so many of his recently living "subjects" now turning on him as walkers. He was living in a fantasy world of few consequences for a very long time. I guess everyone watching knew the Jim Carrey Savior was not long for the episode, but I'm guessing no one expected him to go out in such a novel way.

Carol's ceiling execution: well, the showrunners have not run out of ways to make Carol seem to be the most calculating member of the protagonists. Fine scene.

Ezekiel and Carol's heart to heart was illuminating, with Ezekiel's real self finally breaking through after the Redshirts paid their price, but let's face it, in the end, the death of a CG tiger was predictable, and being a CG tiger, the emotion on Ezekiel's face--or the meaning his backstory was supposed to give to the eventual loss--was not so effective. Thankfully, his "I'm not a king. I'm not your majesty" only works if Jerry (more than Carol) feel they are demoralized beyond repair.

The highway chase was a well plotted sequence..until Rick went old-time serial with the leap that no one in a doctor-free world should ever attempt. No one is that confident, or tough. This is when TWD is more like the medium it was originally created for, and not something dealing with living people.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

I gotta admit I've only been half-watching and kind of losing the plot. It seemed not long ago that they fired a million rounds into Negan's compound and it feels like they've been shooting people and zombies in fields ever since.

Is it me or do those trucks in the apocalypse seem a lot more bullet resistant than they should be?

 

[Push The Button]

I gotta admit I've only been half-watching and kind of losing the plot. It seemed not long ago that they fired a million rounds into Negan's compound and it feels like they've been shooting people and zombies in fields ever since.

Is it me or do those trucks in the apocalypse seem a lot more bullet resistant than they should be?

This season just isn't working for me yet. If it doesn't end with Rick bashing Negan's head to pieces like a watermelon, I'll be very disappointed.

Also, for a production that regularly works miracles with practical f/x and CGI, Rick's jump from the Jeep to the Humvee was not convincing at all, it was obvious that both vehicles were either sitting on a trailer, or bolted together somehow.

I'm sad that Ezekiel lost his tiger and most of his army, but those speeches of his were starting to get on my nerves.

 

[137th Gebirg]

I agree that Ezekiel's prideful monologues were getting to be way too much. It's almost like he was asking for his army to get cut down. You yet-smiling now, Your Majesty? Not one of your numbers lost, eh? One would think that the phrase "Pride cometh before the fall" would mean something to someone as classically trained as the King! Ugh...

They did a very effective job showing what a .50 caliber M2 can do to a group in the clear. In reality those things could cut through engine blocks. A small infantry regiment like Ezekiel's? Pffft! And yes, I hope the grand Shakespearian speeches are done now. Shut up and fight, already! Although I don't think the Kingdom is off the board entirely. I got the impression they had a lot more people deployed in the field than what got ambushed at the outpost - split up on another objective, maybe.

Carol rocks. Period. By far the smartest one in the whole show. She is, quite honestly, my hero.

Mixed feelings on the Jeep vs. Humvee car chase. It uses some pretty common tropes but one can't be novel all the time. Sometimes it's more important to efficiently tell the story, even if there is the occasional cliché thrown into the mix. They got the Ma-Deuces and their ammo. Mission accomplished. They aren't more RPG's, but they'll get the job done somewhere.

 

[auntiehill]

^yeah, that was kind of how I was feeling, too. Yes, it was a bit clumsy in how they handled the car chase but it's hardly that important in the bigger picture of the episode. What I DID like was Daryl, just standing there as Rick drags himself out of the wrecked truck and up the side of the hill. When he gets to the top, Daryl just says, "Hey."

Not "Are you OK?" or "What the hell, man!" Not even, "Jesus, man, you coulda been killed!"

Just "Hey."