Discovery and "The Orville" Comparisons

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by Jedi_Master, May 18, 2017.

  1. Prax

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    About 60 pages ago, someone was making similar claims. I did a little research, and posted this:
    And then this:
    Now, I haven't gone back since then, but that day, I wasn't seeing these voters that you are. There weren't that many 0-1 star ratings to begin with, and they almost always had at least some kind of explanation, and it was almost never about the contentions you mention (aside from some about paying for the service)

    *Tardishark.
     
  2. Tesophius

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    Precisely :)
     
  3. fireproof78

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    This feels more scientific.
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  4. Bgt

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    I think we should wait for season 2 to judge STD.
    Imho, its first season is a mess, caused by the shallow or/and confused approach from its creators.
    It 's like if they gathered all the things they believe make a show cool and popular these days, added some Star Trek elements and ended up with an uneven patchwork.
    Star Trek is a 50 years old franchise, it is supposed to be "cool", trying to improve it doesnt mean you have to make it be like the other popular shows of peak-tv era.

    What I (unexpectedly) like so much in Orville is that it doesnt try so hard to be cool and trendy. Of course it has old Star Trek as its compass, but it looks like the honest work of a fanboy and not as an ambitious effort to make something like GOT in space. I find it sincere and more confident than STD and it is so much effortless to enjoy it. On the contrary, with STD, I am trying to like it, without the "Star Trek" on its title I would have abandoned it already.

    Since Discovery wants to be so serious and dark and "cool", it should take a peek towards shows like the "Expanse". Not to copy, but to realize how to make an interesting new show by creating your own footprint in the genre.
     
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  5. BillJ

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    I guess that proves the power those two words have over many of us. :rofl:
     
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  6. fireproof78

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    I guess i'm the odd one out. I would watch DISCO with or without "Star Trek" in it.
     
  7. BillJ

    BillJ The King of Kings Premium Member

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    I'm not sure I would have made it through "The Vulcan Hello".
     
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  8. fireproof78

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    Then I am truly baffled as to why the need to continue... :shrug:
     
  9. BillJ

    BillJ The King of Kings Premium Member

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    "Star Trek". Simply been following it since 1975, through good times and bad. I'm an oddly loyal sort.
     
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  10. Tesophius

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    I too would have abandoned it after the first couple of episodes if it wasn't branded as Star Trek. IMHO, the only way to save the show is by introducing more self contained episodes, which they've already done with episode #7 and achieved their best results to date, and by abandoning the whole "let's be like the all the other gritty-shitty shows" and go back to having that Star Trek feel that even the Kevin timeline movies had. It is, however, trending in the right direction and I'm forecasting the 8th episode to be a soft 7/10
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  11. Roald

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    Bashing is not being loyal in my book. My favorite football team goes through an awful phase right now, but I would never bash the club.. certainly not by praising another team in an attempt to piss on my own team.
     
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  12. Cake

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    The Orville will also air in Germany. The Pro7/Sat.1 group bought the rights. It is not clear though yet when it will air and on which channel.
     
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  13. BillJ

    BillJ The King of Kings Premium Member

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    You belong in Trump's America. He would love you. Being critical of something is not being disloyal, not even a little bit. I've been critical of every Star Trek, including my personal favorite, the original.

    Why would I not praise another team when they are doing the things my team isn't?
     
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  14. Roald

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    What an amazingly nasty thing to say. Disgraceful. Bashing is not the same as 'being critical'.
     
  15. fireproof78

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    Loyalty is admirable, to a certain point, but if something is causing distress or frustration, at least as far as entertainment, I struggle to understand the need to continue.
     
  16. BillJ

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    There is no distress or frustration, at least from me. It is a TV show, and fun to talk about. It seems the folks who are the most vexed are the Discovery fans because some folks have the audacity to criticize their show.
     
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  17. fireproof78

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    It's fun to talk about things its doing wrong?
     
  18. BillJ

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    Yeah, it is also fun to talk about what it is doing right. Which I've done on more than one occasion. It is all part of the "Star Trek" tapestry.
     
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  19. marsh8472

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    Hey I was recently promoted to captain too. I'm okay with this logic
     
  20. fireproof78

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    It must be a rare creature then, as it slipped my memory ;)
     
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