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"Cadet" Tilly, Kobayashi Maru, and the 25th Century
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Oddly, if they decide to have a Constitution-class starship show up later in the show, instead of it being USS Enterprise (thus avoiding the Spock and Pike issue), instead its USS Farragut. There is almost no one on that ship we should know. Captain Garrovick will be dead in a year or two from a flying cloud monster. But there is one James T. Kirk on board (probably anyway). He was probably in a class with Tilly at some point (they might be the same year even). Be funny if the introduction is from Tilly, "Hey its Jimmy Boy! Hey Jimmy Boy, come over here and meet the Legendary Mutineer Michael Burnham, my mentor."
It would stand to reason that entrance requirements might vary from species to species. All men may be equal but all species aren't.
Starfleet is still operating as an agency of UESPA in the 23rd.
If the Vulcans have their expeditionary force, then every other member worlds still has it's own military and does not yet rely entirely on Starfleet.
half way through DS9, anything approaching a nationalist level like the Vulcan expeditionary force has been absorbed into Starfleet, just like the Bajoran Militia was almost.
If the Vulcans have their expeditionary force, then every other member worlds still has it's own military and does not yet rely entirely on Starfleet.
half way through DS9, anything approaching a nationalist level like the Vulcan expeditionary force has been absorbed into Starfleet, just like the Bajoran Militia was almost.
Or Starfleet is a galactic version of a UN peacekeeping force with exploratory ambitions. You can join the RAF and be assigned to Starfleet?
I thought that was an acting workshop? (Method One Clinic)
Depends on the episode.
[James Lipton] DELIGHTFUL. [/James Lipton]
Think Star Fleet is far more efficient n effective than the UN lol
If it's being done correctly either here or abroad, it's probably not being done by the UN
There were Romulans at Khitomer.
Should support my argument further, right?
The dialogue there suggests to me that this may refer specifically to April's position as Federation Ambassador-at-Large, and not necessarily to Starfleet at large:
KIRK: Captain's log, stardate 6770.3...the Enterprise is on course for the planet Babel, where ambassadors from all Federation planets are waiting to honor the Enterprise's distinguished passenger: Commodore Robert April, first captain of the U.S.S. Enterprise, and for the past twenty years, Federation Ambassador-at-Large. Now seventy-five years old, Commodore April has reached mandatory retirement age.
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KIRK: We've received a message from the Federation that might bring you some cheer. Lieutenant Uhura, would you relay it to Commodore April and his wife?
UHURA: "In view of Commodore April's heroic actions aboard the U.S.S. Enterprise this stardate, we are reviewing his mandatory retirement, and will consider his appeal to remain Federation Ambassador-at-Large."
APRIL: Well, good. Just because someone is seventy-five years old doesn't mean they're ready to stop giving service to the galaxy!
Note that the message comes "from the Federation" and not "from Starfleet Command" or the like. April may very well have already left Starfleet decades earlier when he assumed this highest of civilian diplomatic positions, and is only wearing his old dress uniform for old time's sake as he tours his former command on the way to his grand retirement party. I'd certainly expect Starfleet retirees, especially such celebrated ones, would be entitled to as much on appropriate ceremonial occasions. (Equally, they'd be entitled not to, which we'd quite expect to see from McCoy as we do in "Encounter at Farpoint" considering how much he reviled having to wear his in "Journey To Babel"!) He steps in and assumes command briefly, but only once everyone else except he and Sarah has regressed to childhood (Spock to a teenager) and there is no other option.
I do concur that an absolute upper or lower age limit for Starfleet service, measured in Earth years regardless of species, makes no sense, given differing lifespans and rates of development. And the idea that it's relative based on those could be seen as having some support in the scripted-but-cut anecdote from Worf about being "seventeen and serving as an ensign on the U.S.S. Hawk" in "Ressurection" (DS9). Klingons develop faster than humans, as we see by the example of Alexander.
Of course, other scripted-but-cut lines from "The Emissary" (TNG) implied that Worf had only been through the Academy since last seeing K'Ehleyr six years previously (2359), when he would have been already at least nineteen, per the various other references that place him at age six when his parents were killed in the Khitomer attack ("The Bonding" [TNG]), and this either "twenty years" before "Sins Of The Father" (TNG) or "twenty-five years" before "Birthright" (TNG)—i.e., circa 2344-46, meaning he was born circa 2338-40. (That is, if we don't get into trying to parse Klingon years from Earth years, of course!) Perhaps when he said "serving as an ensign" he meant as an acting ensign, like Wesley Crusher was before ever attending the Academy. Or maybe we should just be thankful they cut both sets of lines, and save ourselves the headache.
Speaking of headaches, I'm working on a full rundown of the Kirk stuff. Stay tuned...
Anything's possible, but the fact of the matter is that there's actually nothing "weird" going on with Kirk's Academy and post-Academy timeline at all, once one parses all the references as given in the actual episodes, and ignores the nonsensical assumptions made by the Chronology regarding Gary Mitchell and the Republic. See here.
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