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I'll Admit I Never Understood "The Mark of Gideon"

Samuel

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I've seen this episode more times than I can count and I still don't get it.
1) What was the purpose of the duplicate Enterprise?
2) Why did they need Kirk to die to set an example for the remainder of the population? Wouldn't the Gideonites have simply thought "some alien guy we don't know and never heard of died of a disease no one knows about"
3) What happened to Odona after Kirk and the Enterprise left?
4) If Gideon was so congested and overpopulated as we see in the background of people nearly walking on each other where did they get the room to built the duplicate Enterprise?

I simply don't get it.
 
1) To confuse Kirk so that he wouldn't prevent what was happening.
2) They didn't want Kirk to die, they wanted Odona to die. And the purpose was to inspire the populace to want to die to get away from the hellish existence they were wallowing in.
3) Saving Odona transferred Kirk's intended role of provider of the disease to her, and she became their actual patient zero in the plague that devastated their population.
4) This very forum has threads dedicated to that very subject. Feel free to check them out, just remember that any thread over six months old should be considered locked. We don't necrothread here.
 
I like the idea of the ship being a sort of telepathic based holodeck perhaps with the details for the ship coming out of Kirk's mind. Because otherwise how could they duplicate the Enterprise exactly. Surely no foreign government could get the layout of the Enterprise correct right down to where Kirk had left the soap in the shower that morning. The Enterprise is not just a generic ship, Kirk lives in it day in and out and would notice scuffs in his chair or a paint scartch on the turbolifts.

And this has to be the only episode I can think of where Kirk must have a slew of better outcomes for the citizens of Gideon and doesn't lecture them about it (and happily waves them goodbye when they have the intent of murdering half their population) insisting he knows better.
 
"Yes, we're the most overpopulated planet in the galaxy to the point we are literally all smushed together, but let's build a big EMPTY replica Starship Enterprise for some alien to wander around in until he gives some space disease to one of ours."

"Sure, why not."
 
All they needed to do was grab Kirk, knock him unconscious and lock him in a cell for the rest of his life. Why bother with the duplicate ship stuff unless they wanted to make Odona happy for the last days of her life and the duplicate Enterprise was a symbol of her sacrifice or some such nonsense.

Seems Starfleet weren't going to bother all that much to rescue Kirk - having one of their captains lost on an alien planet didn't seem to worry them all that much. Hope he didn't know any Starfleet secrets.
 
I've seen this episode more times than I can count and I still don't get it.
1) What was the purpose of the duplicate Enterprise?
2) Why did they need Kirk to die to set an example for the remainder of the population? Wouldn't the Gideonites have simply thought "some alien guy we don't know and never heard of died of a disease no one knows about"
3) What happened to Odona after Kirk and the Enterprise left?
4) If Gideon was so congested and overpopulated as we see in the background of people nearly walking on each other where did they get the room to built the duplicate Enterprise?

I simply don't get it.

1a. To trick Kirk into not leaving, in a way that he would not be suspicious of - lull him into a state of complacency, at least early on - either to break him down psychologically as a precursor to life in a padded cell... and/or to make his spreading his STD infection (or whatever it was) to others easier. Again, a padded cell could have multiple fascinating uses... :D
1a1. But why they couldn't just take a blood or bacteria sample and spread it...
1b. During the making of the story, it was decided to do a bottle show to save costs. So the Enteprise sets were the ones predominantly seen.
1c. The best part is, at least Kirk recognizes some of the ship sounds are wrong.
1d. For a while, the trick worked and the revealing of Gideons from a window is rather effective... but the story doesn't bear up to any scrutiny, that's the real problem and an underlying moral message about overpopulation alone isn't enough on its own if the makers go out of their way to describe the duplicate ship.
2. Kirk had an immunity. Like a disease carrier; he can spread whatever his cooties are to anyone but he himself is still safe. He wouldn't die but he would have to spread it to many on Gideon. Sadly, enough details are not put out so what is shown leads to any number of giggle-worthy conclusions.
3a. If I recall rightly, she was made immune just like Kirk. She spread the ailment to others. She'll live and everyone else can happily die ever after.
3b. I will admit that Odona and her father feel utterly sincere in regards to an unwanted situation and being sincere. The story is a real mixed bag but some moments are positive standouts.
4. Bingo. The episode does a (nominal) job in discussing organ regeneration, so one could guess that they could otherwise start to die of malnutrition and ***zing*** the affected organs renew themselves. Which solves the problem most people bring up of "What about food and water?" It's a tad magical thinking, that or these Gallifreyans Gideons are unique in terms of being a non-simple organism that can regenerate its organs... Though the simpler organisms that can do that still die over time and need nutrients and hydration regardless, so it all goes back to magical thinking. But it was 1960s sci-fi, and proof that not just modern sci-fi is loaded with lapses of logic... which then doesn't reflect well on the modern stuff because today's audiences wouid be a lot more knowledgeable than their 1960s contemporaries...

The story has its heart is the right place, about discussing overpopulation. Perfect for Trek. But the script needed another edit or two made in order to get around the woolly areas, which quickly derail the story. There's also a dig at religion that isn't exactly subtle (despite being nondescript in terms of which religion it's going after), but it might not be the main point, or even intentional either. Something about valuing life now somehow being a bad thing is the takeaway. (But to value life also means not to act like an aquarium full of guppies and incessantly reproduce.)
 
What gets me is how ridiculously simple the mistake the Gideonites make by the transporter coordinates not being the same. They go to all the exacting effort to make a near duplicate of the interior of the Enterprise yet they overlook the coordinate numbers!!!

I think I saw this when I was seven or eight years old for the first time (don't remember the exact year but Richie was still on Happy Days) and I remember even then I INSTANTLY noticed the coordinate differences.
 
Seems Starfleet weren't going to bother all that much to rescue Kirk - having one of their captains lost on an alien planet didn't seem to worry them all that much. Hope he didn't know any Starfleet secrets.

Yup - another reason the actual story is a bit bananas.

It might retroactively explain how the Gideons could make a near-perfect copy of the Enterprise despite not being in Starfleet. They, years ago, kidnapped some officer from another ship in the past, he squealed about Kirk's cooties and ship designs and schemati-- this is getting way too far-fetched either way.
 
1) To confuse Kirk so that he wouldn't prevent what was happening.
2) They didn't want Kirk to die, they wanted Odona to die. And the purpose was to inspire the populace to want to die to get away from the hellish existence they were wallowing in.
3) Saving Odona transferred Kirk's intended role of provider of the disease to her, and she became their actual patient zero in the plague that devastated their population.

It's pretty grim when you think about it. Given that Hodin is about to launch a plague that will kill billions, the all-smiles ending is more preposterous than the Enterprise replica.

Incidentally, the Gideonites never had to build a starship replica or kidnap a Starfleet officer. They could have one of their universities contact one of ours, or our CDC, and innocently ask for a sample of the Vegan choreomeningitis organism for research purposes. It happens all the time. Then they could infect Gideonite guinea pigs to their hearts' content.
 
As a kid, I thought this was cool. I wanted to be on the Enterprise, so it was almost a fantasy, putting myself in Kirk's place. I am forgiving of TOS (aka My First Love) and its plotholes. This is clearly "the one with the empty Enterprise because we need to crank out like 26 of these babies once a week for NBC"!
 
As a kid, I thought this was cool. I wanted to be on the Enterprise, so it was almost a fantasy, putting myself in Kirk's place. I am forgiving of TOS (aka My First Love) and its plotholes. This is clearly "the one with the empty Enterprise because we need to crank out like 26 of these babies once a week for NBC"!

Same here: I often fantasized about having the ship for my own. Get the hell out of junior high school and head into space. Sometimes I'd remember to bring a girl along.

The episode just needed a better excuse to stay on the standing sets, like "The Doomsday Machine" but with no new fx shots.
 
Incidentally, the Gideonites never had to build a starship replica or kidnap a Starfleet officer. They could have one of their universities contact one of ours, or our CDC, and innocently ask for a sample of the Vegan choreomeningitis organism for research purposes. It happens all the time. Then they could infect Gideonite guinea pigs to their hearts' content.

Are you sure? They aren't a Federation planet. One would assume that to make such a request, they would at least need to be an ally in good standing, and Kirk's and the Enterprise's presence there was an overture to good relations. They weren't in good standing yet.
 
Are you sure? They aren't a Federation planet. One would assume that to make such a request, they would at least need to be an ally in good standing, and Kirk's and the Enterprise's presence there was an overture to good relations. They weren't in good standing yet.

I'm pretty sure. During the cold war, a Russian university researcher "innocently" asked one of our research centers for a few breeding pairs of a certain American fish species that Russia didn't have. I've forgotten the details. But the next thing we knew, Russia was competing with us in the market for that variety of caviar. Our economic loss was Russia's gain. The point is, academic cooperation across political lines happens a lot, and sometimes that trust is abused.
 
As a kid, I thought this was cool. I wanted to be on the Enterprise, so it was almost a fantasy, putting myself in Kirk's place. I am forgiving of TOS (aka My First Love) and its plotholes. This is clearly "the one with the empty Enterprise because we need to crank out like 26 of these babies once a week for NBC"!

IIRC the third season was only 24 episodes long. Though I could be wrong.
 
I just thought of something: My suggestion that the re-creation of the Enterprise was underground, overlooks the fact that why didn't the Gideonites themselves start moving underground?
 
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