Voyager season 6

[cosmic mouse]

Ransom may have a hidden charm, because as much as I thought he was a dirtbag, I forgave him about as fast as Janeway when he finally came around. It's that sleazy first officer of his who's the REAL bad apple. He led his captain astray, I say.

I agree... given a choice I'd take Ransom in a heartbeat over that scumbag first officer... I'd smash hi in the grill.

One Small Step- Another fan favorite that I don't care for, but he's got nice teeth. 6/10

Yeah... I liked this one a bit more than you did. And his teeth are nice (ahem, among other things), however I liked this ep mainly for Seven and, maybe even more so, for Kelly. My favorite part of the whole ep was Seven reciting her eulogy over his capsule at the end.
So, my question is: is there some repercussion for Chak for disobeying a direct order form the Captain? Like, does he get to spend time in the brig?

 

[Prax]

No, Chakotay and Janeway are like mom and dad to the ship. If she did that, it would divide the crew. They have to give a united front, so, a quiet reprimand over dinner would be most likely, then Janeway would make a joke, put up her hands, and make a funny face.

 

[cosmic mouse]

That's bogus, mang. Chak needed to visit the brig, even for just a day. That's inconsistent on the part of Janeway imho. Well, truthfully, Chak's actions here were mildly out of character, so that's possibly inconsistent as well...

 

[cosmic mouse]

Voyager Conspiracy was quite good imo... and one of the better eps so far in 6. It was a good Seven ep, but it was also a good installment for a few people: Janeway-Seven, Janeway-Chakotay, and Seven-Naomi. Janeway's expressions during this one are great, especially during the scene when Seven is explaining about the photonic fleas.

Pathfinder is next, which I understand features Troi and the first Barclay appearance since s2 I think?

 

[Prax]

Both great episodes. I really like Voyager Conspiracy. It balances humor and serious quite simultaneously, and Seven almost convinced me a few times. It might be poking fun at fan theories, too. And it has one of the most touching moments at the end, when Janeway goes after seven.

Pathfinder is a very good Barclay episode, in my opinion. And a logical follow up. Like the previous episode, there's definitely some more 4th wall jabs. You'll see a lot of that this season.

Many people say that this season plummets in quality. And while there might be a larger portion of lighter episodes, there is a good share of clever writing.

Future episodes to anticipate:
Blink of an Eye- this is often found in top ten lists

Virtuoso- how well do you tolerate the doctor?

Tsunkatse- wrestling, you say? Sold out, you say? Still a good episode, I say, with good character interaction between a bunch of the ol' crew.

Child's play- if you skip ahead, you'll be totally confused by this gem.

Good Shepherd- a mix between TNG's "lower decks" and Voyager's "Learning Curve"

Lifeline- So have a high tolerance for the doctor? Oh? You really enjoy seeing him on screen? I see... This might be just the story for you!

Muse- Amazing episode! Very meta. Not to be confused with, nor tarnished by the DS9 episode titled "The Muse."

 

[cosmic mouse]

Virtuoso- how well do you tolerate the doctor?

Lifeline- So have a high tolerance for the doctor? Oh? You really enjoy seeing him on screen? I see... This might be just the story for you!

...something is telling me I am in for it this season.

 

[Farscape One]

I also think "MEMORIAL" is very memorable.

 

[cosmic mouse]

Fair Haven was kind of an... interesting... episode. I liked it quite a bit for the interaction between all the characters, both standard and real and also those that were part of the Fair Haven simulation. And I did like the Doctor in this one (his wandering around taking confessions when back on the ship cracked me up) despite him not being my favorite character overall.
When I finished with this ep I wasn't quite sure what to make of it in its entirety though, if that makes any sense. Like, how does it fit with the rest of the series? Is it (or will it be) part of a larger arc not yet developed? Was it just meant to explore Janeway's character and plight a bit more? ( a reasonable topic/focal point imho) Was it meant to set up some trigger event for a future episode? At any rate, I am not sure of the point of this ep, but I did enjoy it.



Today, since I have a vacation day (and I would have had a forced day off regardless because no trains are running due to the storm last night), I will rewatch Blink of an Eye. After I looked up the description that's an ep I watched a few months ago and I really liked the concept. So I'm looking forward to the revisit.

 

[Thomas Eugene]

Fair Haven was kind of an... interesting... episode. I liked it quite a bit for the interaction between all the characters, both standard and real and also those that were part of the Fair Haven simulation. And I did like the Doctor in this one (his wandering around taking confessions when back on the ship cracked me up) despite him not being my favorite character overall.
When I finished with this ep I wasn't quite sure what to make of it in its entirety though, if that makes any sense. Like, how does it fit with the rest of the series? Is it (or will it be) part of a larger arc not yet developed? Was it just meant to explore Janeway's character and plight a bit more? ( a reasonable topic/focal point imho) Was it meant to set up some trigger event for a future episode? At any rate, I am not sure of the point of this ep, but I did enjoy it.



Today, since I have a vacation day (and I would have had a forced day off regardless because no trains are running due to the storm last night), I will rewatch Blink of an Eye. After I looked up the description that's an ep I watched a few months ago and I really liked the concept. So I'm looking forward to the revisit.

There'll be another Fair Haven episode for you ... SPIRIT FOLK is the title. But I think other than good fun, the two eps don't have much significance for the overall story. I find it a nice holodeck adventure though.

If there's something missing for me from the last two seasons then it is a recurring villain like the Kazon, the Vidiian, the Hirogen or the Mallon were in earlier seasons. Of course, the Borg is there ... and you'll bump into the Hirogen once or twice ... but that's it basically. I wish we had had someone new during Seasons 6 and 7.

BLINK OF AN EYE is an absolute gem. In addition to being an excellent VOY ep, it's very sciency and Star Treky as well. Enjoy!

 

[cosmic mouse]

BLINK OF AN EYE is an absolute gem. In addition to being an excellent VOY ep, it's very sciency and Star Treky as well. Enjoy!

Blink of an Eye was indeed excellent, TE, and I enjoyed the rewatch. A few abstract (and not episode-specific) thoughts came to mind as I watched, but I'll post those later on somewhere else. This one did stick in my brain the first time I saw it in the spring, so I'm not surprised it's one that winds up on many "top" lists for the series.

Virtuoso was also quite good, and that's coming from someone who is not a massive fan of the Doctor thus far. The aspects of his demeanor/personality that grate on me were muted here a little, despite them more or less taking center stage. To me, that makes this ep more realistic in a way....and I probably have a tiny bit more appreciation for the Doctor's susceptibility to his own egotistical needs.

Sometime in the next two days I aim to binge-watch a chunk of the rest of season 6, starting with Memorial. And since I have a couple of days off work now....

 

[Farscape One]

"MEMORIAL" is one of my favorites from season 6... of the whole series, in fact.

The concept was great, and I thought it was very well acted.

 

[Thomas Eugene]

"MEMORIAL" is one of my favorites from season 6... of the whole series, in fact.

The concept was great, and I thought it was very well acted.

Does anyone know if the Memorial thing we see in this ep actually exists? If so, where? (I suspect that if it exists, it must be in the US ... but it would be good to know where it is and what it is in reality.)

 

[cosmic mouse]

"MEMORIAL" is one of my favorites from season 6... of the whole series, in fact.

The concept was great, and I thought it was very well acted.

It was excellent. And I agree on the acting.... I found this to be one of the most moving episodes so far. And imho the viewer can really get a feeling, via Neelix, Kim, Paris, and Chakotay, (plus that one guy in sickbay who Janeway speaks with) for the angst and turmoil that follows in the wake of something like this. I did make me tear up at the end.
Now, one question I can think of regarding the actions/decisions in this ep: what if the memorial is viewed through a "Living Witness" lens? What if the story told through the memories in the monument are driven off a huge, subjective bias and not wholly accurate? Theoretically of course, since the ep is done and in the history banks...

 

[Thomas Eugene]

What if the story told through the memories in the monument are driven off a huge, subjective bias and not wholly accurate?

I think this is a question that could be asked in conjunction with every historical event. Nobody knows for 100% sure what happened and how things happened exactly ... so we can only hope that we get at least the most important historical "facts" right. The other day I was talking to someone who is a history teacher and she explained to me how one of our biggest national heroes was actually a traitor ... I was at a loss for words because that guy is really held in high esteem in Hungarian history ... But the whole conversation was at least good for thinking about how we accept what's "indoctrinated" to us by our history books ...
And I really don't know if the books are right or that history teacher is right but this encounter at least opened my eyes ...

 

[cosmic mouse]

I think this is a question that could be asked in conjunction with every historical event. Nobody knows for 100% sure what happened and how things happened exactly ... so we can only hope that we get at least the most important historical "facts" right. The other day I was talking to someone who is a history teacher and she explained to me how one of our biggest national heroes was actually a traitor ... I was at a loss for words because that guy is really held in high esteem in Hungarian history ... But the whole conversation was at least good for thinking about how we accept what's "indoctrinated" to us by our history books ...
And I really don't know if the books are right or that history teacher is right but this encounter at least opened my eyes ...

Yes, that;s a good point, TE... but it's a question that surfaced as I watched the ep. We don't really know for sure one way or the other, so Janeway likely made her decision based on what existed. Logical and objective with a touch of sensitivity and humanity, as per usual, for the best Starfleet Captain.

...and I know you're not a fan of the Simpsons, but your story from your teacher totally reminds me of the Jebediah Springfield episode:

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[Ghost]

If there's something missing for me from the last two seasons then it is a recurring villain like the Kazon, the Vidiian, the Hirogen or the Mallon were in earlier seasons. Of course, the Borg is there ... and you'll bump into the Hirogen once or twice ... but that's it basically. I wish we had had someone new during Seasons 6 and 7.

Perhaps I will respond on the rest of this thread later but regarding a recurring foe other than the Borg (who were over exposed at this point), that was what the Vaadwaur were suppose to be, a foe that Voyager could run into from time to time despite the distance they have traveled since the last encounter as the Vaadwaur would have the subspace corridor plot device to make that possible.
I like to think that Vaadwaur could have been made somewhat like the Cardassians as the Vaadwaur visually remind me of them.

 

[cosmic mouse]

Good point about the Vaadwaur... given the subspace corridor they would have had enhanced mobility, and having Seven be the individual to have "revived" them (and thus acting as a catalyst for war) could have added some peculiarities to the issue, especially given that the Vaadwaur had some early, past experiences with the Borg, which could have been revived themselves, in some form, which could have enhanced the arc of the plot.

 

[cosmic mouse]

... my rewatch of Tsunkatse was good, Collective was great, Child's Play really good, and Spirit Folk was decent. I think the Fair Haven idea is used up at this point (no offense to Seamus and Company since they make me laugh), but two eps is enough for me in that realm.... unless Seamus makes a cameo appearance at some later date.

Collective was great though, and I am liking these Borg "kids" so far... at least Icheb and Mezoti. The twins are sort of window dressing I guess... one trivia point I noticed in "Ashes To Ashes": during the scene when Seven is practically begging Chakotay to assign someone else to care for the kids she references Activity Schedule 238 and this is Voyager episode #238. Oh, those clever (sort of, in a remedial sense here) writers! I was also hoping for some inconsequential, yet character-building interaction between Chak and 7 in this scene as well (as I was expecting from the scene of the two of them working together from Blink of an Eye, and several other preceding eps), but ... nothing. Since I know enough to know they wind up together (in some sort of unconvincing manner) at the series' end these are wasted opportunities!

Anyhow, I am up to Good Shepherd (which I watched last night)... not my favorite ep, but not bad either. Poor Janeway getting stuck with the dunce club aboard the Delta Flyer. Man, I would have pummeled that one arrogant jackass anyway...

 

[Thomas Eugene]

Perhaps I will respond on the rest of this thread later but regarding a recurring foe other than the Borg (who were over exposed at this point), that was what the Vaadwaur were suppose to be, a foe that Voyager could run into from time to time despite the distance they have traveled since the last encounter as the Vaadwaur would have the subspace corridor plot device to make that possible.
I like to think that Vaadwaur could have been made somewhat like the Cardassians as the Vaadwaur visually remind me of them.

To me the Hirogen could have been similar to the Cardassians if they had been used more frequently.
The Vaadwaur didn't seem that interesting to me, except perhaps for the fact that we learn from the ep that they used to control a vast area of the DQ. For this reason perhaps they could have returned. (Do you have info about why the producers decided not to do so? Was this an option in the first place at all?)

It is interesting to see how many people think the Borg were overused. Sorry but I can't agree there. I wish we had had three times as many Borg episodes. They are usually highly fascinating and as main antagonists on VOY, I would have found it more "logical" to use them in several other episodes.

 

[Thomas Eugene]

... my rewatch of Tsunkatse was good, Collective was great, Child's Play really good, and Spirit Folk was decent. I think the Fair Haven idea is used up at this point (no offense to Seamus and Company since they make me laugh), but two eps is enough for me in that realm.... unless Seamus makes a cameo appearance at some later date.

Collective was great though, and I am liking these Borg "kids" so far... at least Icheb and Mezoti. The twins are sort of window dressing I guess... one trivia point I noticed in "Ashes To Ashes": during the scene when Seven is practically begging Chakotay to assign someone else to care for the kids she references Activity Schedule 238 and this is Voyager episode #238. Oh, those clever (sort of, in a remedial sense here) writers! I was also hoping for some inconsequential, yet character-building interaction between Chak and 7 in this scene as well (as I was expecting from the scene of the two of them working together from Blink of an Eye, and several other preceding eps), but ... nothing. Since I know enough to know they wind up together (in some sort of unconvincing manner) at the series' end these are wasted opportunities!

Anyhow, I am up to Good Shepherd (which I watched last night)... not my favorite ep, but not bad either. Poor Janeway getting stuck with the dunce club aboard the Delta Flyer. Man, I would have pummeled that one arrogant jackass anyway...

All of the above-mentioned episodes are real gems in my book, interestingly enough GOOD SHEPHERD would top that list. I like the idea that we see people on VOY who are not part of the main cast. My only regret is that these small groups are always only used once (although Celes will soon make a very brief appearance in one of the next eps). Together with the Maquis in LEARNING CURVE and with what remained of the EQUINOX crew, our "lambs" from GOOD SHEPHERD constitute the third group who are introduced but never heard from again. I wish this had been done in a different way.
Having said that, this gives writers ample opportunities to make use of these characters. Not that I think many have done so ... but the theoretical possibility exists ...

And now you are nearing the part of VOY, which for me is a bit worse in quality than the rest. Let's see what you'll think about the end of Season 6.