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Discovery and "The Orville" Comparisons

I really do hope FOX sees a big enough ratings performance from The Orville so it gets renewed for a second season (or hell gets a backend Season 1 order if possible.)

I think season one was always supposed to be 13 episodes.
 
Manipulation of viewers and shareholders is a way to increase viewership or even keep current viewers on board.

Everyone else is doing it, so you should too is a strategy that has worked so well to keep so many worthless things alive, and expensive. like smoking... and diamonds.

Also, companies do manipulate numbers to keep shareholders on board. At some point someone pitched this idea, and at some point a group of people agreed to it, likely with a lot of but this and but that.

I'm probably being overly cynical, but I wouldn't trust much of what CBS says about their own show, it's also partly why I don't trust after trek. The whole "look at me in my controlled environment" circus is kind of eye rolling. I trust it and respect it much more when the actors and writers go to already established shows.
Really? Sorry, but if I am paying for a service, and it has nothing I like (or changes what it offers to the point it has nothing I enjoy) - there's no way hearing "Well everyone else is still subbed" would make me say, "Oh, I better stay subbed too."
^^^
If the current generation just subs to something that they get no value/enjoyment from just because "everyone else is doing it" - my view of millennials just dropped another notch. I can't believe anyone would continue to pay for a service they got nothing out of (unless they signed a term contract with severe early termination penalties - but CBSAA is suubscribe 'at will'.)
 
Yeah, Orville has always been a 13 episode season. Discovery was 13 and got bumped up to 15.
 
I'm probably being overly cynical, but I wouldn't trust much of what CBS says about their own show, it's also partly why I don't trust after trek. The whole "look at me in my controlled environment" circus is kind of eye rolling. I trust it and respect it much more when the actors and writers go to already established shows.

We will find out some more real numbers in a few days when CBS Q3 earnings report comes out. One thing you don't do is lie in official SEC filings. That gets you in a ton of trouble and I'm sure on the conference call CBSAA and Discovery will be a major point they will address.
 
Really? Sorry, but if I am paying for a service, and it has nothing I like (or changes what it offers to the point it has nothing I enjoy) - there's no way hearing "Well everyone else is still subbed" would make me say, "Oh, I better stay subbed too."

I believe you but whether or not it affects you that way is somewhat irrelevant. It's a flaw in human nature and it works on many, history is riddle with examples of this, especially in advertising.

And whether or not it works on a large enough scale is also irrelevant, many in these positions believe it does, so they will continue to function that way. It's a common reason why companies like to inflate numbers.



If the current generation just subs to something that they get no value/enjoyment from just because "everyone else is doing it" - my view of millennials just dropped another notch. I can't believe anyone would continue to pay for a service they got nothing out of (unless they signed a term contract with severe early termination penalties - but CBSAA is suubscribe 'at will'.)

Remember smoking? Diamonds? The combination of "everyone else is doing it" and "keeping up with the jonses" goes back to forever.

It isn't just Millenials,
 
We will find out some more real numbers in a few days when CBS Q3 earnings report comes out. One thing you don't do is lie in official SEC filings. That gets you in a ton of trouble and I'm sure on the conference call CBSAA and Discovery will be a major point they will address.

That enters criminal territory,

however that won't cover how many people drop out during the break, frankly I won't feel confident about reported numbers until something official and after the break.
 
Do you think they'd give a back order first, or just renew for a 2nd season, if the execs were happy with how Orville was going? Like could they produce another 6-8 eps for back half with a Jan/Feb deadline or would it just have to wait for next Oct return?
 
That enters criminal territory,

however that won't cover how many people drop out during the break, frankly I won't feel confident about reported numbers until something official and after the break.

They won't know how many people drop out during the break because it won't have happened. I just looked and the report and call are 4:30pm tomorrow. So we'll get at least a rough idea of how many new subscribes they gained due to discovery.
 
Do you think they'd give a back order first, or just renew for a 2nd season, if the execs were happy with how Orville was going? Like could they produce another 6-8 eps for back half with a Jan/Feb deadline or would it just have to wait for next Oct return?

I don't think they could at this point. Orville has already wrapped production at this point. If production was still on-going it would be easier to add some episodes (subject to actor availability), but since filming has shut down It would be a lot harder to start it up again. So I think a back order is unlikely and it will either get season 2 or not.
 
They won't know how many people drop out during the break because it won't have happened. I just looked and the report and call are 4:30pm tomorrow. So we'll get at least a rough idea of how many new subscribes they gained due to discovery.

That's what I mean,

so I won't trust any numbers on the future of this service until an official report AFTER the break.
 
Yeah, I don't imagine they would gear up again this season to crank out another nine episodes. If The Orville is renewed it'll be for a second season - given the cost and complexity of the show, it might be another 13 episode order.
 
Yeah, I don't imagine they would gear up again this season to crank out another nine episodes. If The Orville is renewed it'll be for a second season - given the cost and complexity of the show, it might be another 13 episode order.

Maybe I'm being selfish but I'd hope for more than 13.
 
As the joke goes, there are about 30 good TOS episodes out of 80. Most of those were in the first year of the series.

There's also the "low-hanging fruit" aspect: do the Planet Run By Computers, do First Contact, do the Mad Scientist, do the Time Travel episode, do the Space Combat episode, etc...

TOS became repetitious in year two, and relied more often on the popularity of the characters themselves to carry stories.
 
They can always make up for it by ordering a larger season 2. That would probably work out better for production logistics and story development than trying to quickly churn out a back half.
 
Remember smoking? Diamonds? The combination of "everyone else is doing it" and "keeping up with the jonses" goes back to forever.

It isn't just Millenials,

Yep. Every generation thinks things were purer and more innocent back in the day, and the younger generation is no damn good, but that's just human nature. By coincidence, I was just watching an old movie from 1932 and, sure enough, there was a bit where a world-weary, twenty-something showgirl was lamenting these "modern" times, with its "factories and cheap advertising and money-making."

Today is always tawdry. Yesterday is always seen through rose-tinted glasses.
 
So long as we don’t get a clip show à la “Shades of Grey” or episodes with tedious b-plots about Isaac‘s pet cat (spending a night in sickbay perhaps?) all is well.
 
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