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THE ORVILLE: S1, E7: "MAJORITY RULE"

Rate the episode:

  • ***** Excellent

    Votes: 43 40.2%
  • ****

    Votes: 40 37.4%
  • ***

    Votes: 15 14.0%
  • **

    Votes: 5 4.7%
  • * Fear the banana

    Votes: 4 3.7%

  • Total voters
    107
Just watch this episode for that answer. The holo emitter vulnerability is technology that this culture obviously doesn't have.

I think the real answer is that the way it was done is needed for plot in both instances. I just found it amusing.

Also interesting, their brain scrambler worked exactly as intended on an alien brain they've never encountered before.
 
I give them props for what they were trying to do, but can anybody honestly say that if this were a Trek episode fans would let them get away with such major character stupidity and plot problems without eviscerating them for it? This show, which I have found endearing up to this point, is starting to use it's comedy/drama label as a crutch to mimic Trek, steal from it, yet skirt the consequences of its sloppiness. If you point the careless storytelling, then "it's a comedy, why are you taking it so seriously?"

1. Why would you go undercover on an alien planet with no information? They had no idea about the voting system until they got there. Alanna had no idea about the hat. Nobody seems to know anything. They know what 21st century Earth looks and sounds like, what cocaine and backup dancers are, but have no idea what money is?

2. John is such an aszhole that it's hard to feel sorry for him. He never takes his situation seriously until he's in the chair. He's told to keep a low profile and doesn't. He goes on an apology tour and can barely even fake it. It's like he knows they're going to get him out of it somehow and low and behold, they do. Then he basically flips them off on the way out, potentially causing another incident?

3. What's the publicity officer even there for? He just stands around and is generally unhelpful. He provides expositional information when it's too late to do anything about it.

4. Their big solution to the problem.....is to hack planet's computer? If you're going to do that, why not just change the votes? The Admiral said not to interfere. If you're going to disobey the spirit of the order, but not the implicit order, why not just shut down the power to the facility? Why wait until the last minute to do all this?
 
I give them props for what they were trying to do, but can anybody honestly say that if this were a Trek episode fans would let them get away with such major character stupidity and plot problems without eviscerating them for it?

Is the Trek episode as entertaining as The Orville? If so, I wouldn't care. I've given Trek a lot of leeway where stupidity is concerned. It only irritates me when I'm bored with it.
 
They know what 21st century Earth looks and sounds like, what cocaine and backup dancers are, but have no idea what money is?
Alara is the only one who doesn't seem to know what money is. Maybe Xeleyans never had money?
. What's the publicity officer even there for? He just stands around and is generally unhelpful. He provides expositional information when it's too late to do anything about it.
He's the unhelpful guide, a common trope in fiction.
 
I give them props for what they were trying to do, but can anybody honestly say that if this were a Trek episode fans would let them get away with such major character stupidity and plot problems without eviscerating them for it?

Nah, they'd be too busy eviscerating it for all the various ways it doesn't fit into CANON! :D
 
Considering how different Krill are from humans, a holographic disguise is the simplest method to disguise a human as Krill. Xeleyans are similar enough to humans anyway, why use a holographic disguise and risk it failing at an inopportune moment when you can just cover the forehead and ears with a hat and the nose with a bandage?
Spock would usually just hide his ears with a hat.
 
That's what I like about The Orville. Sometimes, modern Trek overcomplicated the hell out of the plumbing.

Classic Trek: "Put on this hat."

Modern Star Trek: "We'll reconfigure the Quantum Regulator to reverse the polarity of the positronic signal repeater, and create a holographic simulator that masks all bio-signs."

Orville: "Put on this hat."
 
I give them props for what they were trying to do, but can anybody honestly say that if this were a Trek episode ...

If this were Trek, either it would have been shelved during rewrites because "We had it on our list to do a social media episode this season but we couldn't find an angle on it," or they would have fucked it up - because they really haven't been any good at this sort of thing since 1968.

Orville did fine.
 
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The way I interpreted that was the woman was someone so well known in their history that Steven Culp just assumed John was aware of her. His reaction when it's brought up in the interview was an "oh, shit, I should have thought of that" moment. Kind of like how you just assume someone in the US knows who George Washington is.

If someone dry-humped a statue of Abraham Lincoln, it would be assumed that the person would know who he was. However, since John showed a lack of knowledge of the voting system, the Publicity Tour guy should have assumed he didn't know common things. But, I got the sense he wasn't that interested in seeing John vindicated.

Giving this one a soft four. I had a few minor issues with the relevancy of up votes and how stupid the offensive act was. But, overall, I loved the episode. Solid above-than-average StarTrek.

There's just no comparison that can be made with STD, the Orville isin a whole league above and you actually look forward to watching it.

There's this thing called an opinion. The nice thing about an opinion is that others are allowed to have a different opinion. Personally, The Orville is a show that entertains, but I'm perfectly fine having sit on my DVR for days until I get around to it. I get giddy when I'm watching Discovery on Sundays. The Walking Dead is appointment TV for me, but I immediately switched to CBS All-Access once it was done, forgoing my usual Sunday night viewing of The Talking Dead (which, come to think of it, is still sitting on my DVR).

I definitely enjoyed watching this week's episode, but in the middle of "Lethe," I thought to myself, I LOVE this series!

I give them props for what they were trying to do, but can anybody honestly say that if this were a Trek episode fans would let them get away with such major character stupidity and plot problems without eviscerating them for it? This show, which I have found endearing up to this point, is starting to use it's comedy/drama label as a crutch to mimic Trek, steal from it, yet skirt the consequences of its sloppiness. If you point the careless storytelling, then "it's a comedy, why are you taking it so seriously?"

It's a shame that The Orville and Star Trek: Discovery came out the same year. It's hard not to make comparisons. If The Orville premiered last year or Discovery did, I don't think we'd see as many direct comparisons.

1. Why would you go undercover on an alien planet with no information? They had no idea about the voting system until they got there. Alanna had no idea about the hat. Nobody seems to know anything. They know what 21st century Earth looks and sounds like, what cocaine and backup dancers are, but have no idea what money is?

Well, how else would you get information, then? Granted they could probably find out information from satellites or orbital observation, but I didn't have much of a problem with this.

3. What's the publicity officer even there for? He just stands around and is generally unhelpful. He provides expositional information when it's too late to do anything about it.

Personally, I think the system would die out if no one was corrected. Therefore, I think the publicity officer is there to at best just guide the person through the process and let them sign their own correction order, so to speak. At worst, the guy is deliberately trying to undermine his client and manufacture a situation in which they are guaranteed to get 10,000,000 down votes. Then, the public feels like they've performed a service.

We never see any down votes get reversed. The down and up votes just keep going up. So, I think the simplest explanation is that the badges are a running total of all the down and up votes you get in your entire life from 18 onward. So the down votes never get reversed. If I am right, then yes, Lamar was in trouble since he was only 7 votes away from getting a lobotomy. It was definitely time to get him out of there.

The coffee shop woman with more than 500,000 down votes all but confirmed this. She tried to excuse the count by saying most had been earned in her 20's. She looked 40-50, so one would assume that turning yourself around would alleviate most of those, if you could reverse them. I forgot how many up votes she had, but it wasn't nearly as much as the down votes. I'd assume a reversal might have left her with a more even score.

Their society probably voted that 10 million was the right number, high enough that it would adequately represent someone who did so many egregious things in the eyes of society that they deserved the correction. After all, 10 million down votes is a lot. The only way to get that many would be to either do one really really bad thing that the whole nation hates you or be a serial repeat offender that keeps racking up millions of down votes. In both instances, society probably feels that you deserve correction. Even the lady with 500,000 down votes was a far cry from 10 million. I suspect most people probably never get anywhere close to the 10 million. Also, keep in mind that it is a voting system that includes both down and up votes. So if 1 million people vote and you get 50% down votes, you get 500,000 extra down votes and an extra 500,000 up votes added to your badge too. Both votes get added to your badge. So the up votes do reduce the number of potential down votes, a person might get.

Irrelevant to the episode, but I do wonder what someone with 9,999,996 down votes does with the rest of their lives? One crappy afternoon could push them to the 10,000,000. And then, what? Does that trigger an automatic correction? Or is that only when they are on the tour? Surely a re-appearance on the tour would guarantee them getting corrected. Hell, John's "I'm a spaceman" bit at the end should have had the guards in the room come over and down vote him one at a time.


I was really hoping Kelly would down vote the PR guy for dooming John. Again, another irrelevant question, but what stops retaliatory down votes? For example, the guy at the beginning with the coffee. He got down voted for an accident. Why didn't he down vote the other guy for not accepting his apology? And are their rules about the voting? Could I try to block you down voting me? Can I run away if I know one is coming?
 
I was really hoping Kelly would down vote the PR guy for dooming John. Again, another irrelevant question, but what stops retaliatory down votes? For example, the guy at the beginning with the coffee. He got down voted for an accident. Why didn't he down vote the other guy for not accepting his apology? And are their rules about the voting? Could I try to block you down voting me? Can I run away if I know one is coming?

Think that served well to show the stupidity of down and up voting things - it becomes petty and vindictive (one of the reasons it was never implemented on this site).
 
Think that served well to show the stupidity of down and up voting things - it becomes petty and vindictive (one of the reasons it was never implemented on this site).
Well, yeah, especially the way it is implemented on the show. Reddit and other sites keep the voting anonymous. Hard to do when someone down votes you by hitting your badge button.

I'm guilty of it too. I find I'm much quicker to down vote someone on Reddit than to up vote. Posts that annoy me make me want to do something. Yeah, you're only supposed to down vote if they don't add to the conversation, but that's vague as hell.

It's like the scene with the grandmother buying her granddaughter ice cream. The mother prompted the girl to up vote. It's like continually prompting kids to say, "Thank you," in our world. However, no one needs to be prompted to get into a fight or shove someone or yell at them.

Oh, I forgot to mention, when Alara and the Doctor go back to the coffee shop, the barista tells them she's sorry. They think she's talking about John, but she tells them she's not, she believes he's getting what he deserves. So, what was she apologizing for?
 
Oh, I forgot to mention, when Alara and the Doctor go back to the coffee shop, the barista tells them she's sorry. They think she's talking about John, but she tells them she's not, she believes he's getting what he deserves. So, what was she apologizing for?

may its long the lines of "sorry you're having a shitty day" or "sorry your friend is such an idiot" kind of sorry.
 
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