Discovery and "The Orville" Comparisons
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Really? O_o
I found them interesting, marbles and all.
Discovery is a prequel to "A Piece of the Action"!
Klingon Mafia? Yes please!
It is hard to find something dramatically compelling when you can tell the actors are fighting the prosthetics they are wearing.
At least for me.
Interesting point.
I've been a Star Trek fan since I was a child and first watched it. I doubt it could do much to sway me from my fandom. Any incarnation, I just take it as it comes and enjoy it.
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I think you're too hard on yourself. You're a Star Trek fan - you're just a fan of a particular era of Star Trek. That's fine and doesn't make you any less of a fan.
That said, I think fans such as yourself may realize what A LOT of Star Trek fans in 1987 (who were previously fans of the way TOS told its stories) felt in 1987 when TNG premiered and changed the way Star Trek characters and stories were presented and told.
In the end - that era lasted 18 years and produced way more content, so in effect, TOS era content (as a whole) is way less. I mean as the years go on (and as one of the TOS era fans) I find myself liking TNG less and less (I still do like ENT and DS9; and ENT did try to find a middle ground in the way it told stories and presented characters between TOS/TNG). The only Star Trek series I completely gave up (and to this day still haven't seen all the episodes) was ST:VOY - I gave it about 1 season (gave up after "The 37's"
But again, even though I prefeer TOS (even with it being the least produced era of the Trek Universe) - and was never all that fond of TNG in the long run, I'm still a Star Trek fan.
Seven of Nine and the Borg really changed the dynamics of the show. It got a lot better during seasons four through seven.
Well - back in the day a few of my friends who were still watching told me to check out 'Scorpion' and a few other episodes over the years. Still didn't change my opion of the series or inspire me to see much more. I still think the flip/flop/Bipolar week to week writing they did of the "Captain jameway" character; and the fact they completely dropped the Maqui crew element storyline (oh yeah there were still Maquis aboard, they just acted exactly like their Starfleet counterparts really soured me overall because hey, to this day, the original premise for the show I found interesting - but they just abandoned it and made the show 'TNG-lite'.
While my appreciation of Voyager has changed compared to what it twenty years ago, it is definitely flawed.
You're. ..a flawed!.
Seriously, though. Voyager is a fantastic series. Whatever those flaws might be(which are matters of taste), it's like one of those trekkie tropes that gets repeated, but doesn't necessarily stand up to scrutiny. And I just heard 3 in a row.
"Janeway something something bipolar"
"Forgot something something Maquis"
And the least meaningful of all:
"TNG-lite"
Is Janeway written inconsistently? If so, how, and more importantly: Is she written more inconsistently than the other captains?
Reminders of the former Maquis crew is a constant throughout the series. Was it supposed to pan out differently? If so, what are the justifications?
If Voyager is TNG-Lite, does that make TNG "Star Trek lite"? Or DS9 "Diet B5"?
Seriously, though. Voyager is a fantastic series. Whatever those flaws might be(which are matters of taste), it's like one of those trekkie tropes that gets repeated, but doesn't necessarily stand up to scrutiny. And I just heard 3 in a row.
"Janeway something something bipolar"
"Forgot something something Maquis"
And the least meaningful of all:
"TNG-lite"
Is Janeway written inconsistently? If so, how, and more importantly: Is she written more inconsistently than the other captains?
Reminders of the former Maquis crew is a constant throughout the series. Was it supposed to pan out differently? If so, what are the justifications?
If Voyager is TNG-Lite, does that make TNG "Star Trek lite"? Or DS9 "Diet B5"?
I'm not willing to go that far.
Her morality definitely was "fluid". One moment going on about someone's rights, the next, coming close to letting someone get eaten by a subspace creature. She was also kinda all over the place on the Prime Directive.
I'm not sure the Maquis storyline was the right one to cause tension seventy-five thousand light years from home. A political squabble kinds loses its appeal when you likely will never see home again. But, DS9 already had the religious angle.
If that's what makes her inconsistent, then Sisko was inconsistently written when chasing down Eddington, Kirk when chasing down the evil vampire cloud, and Picard when getting real, real mad at his Borg friends. And Archer; he was so desperate to save the Earth, that he started allowing his puppet masters to write him inconsistently(Killing innocent clones to harvest their organs, torturing innocent pirates, stranding innocent freighter crews to a cold death in deep space. That sorta thing)
The good news is that this thread might stay alive for quite some more time. It really doesn't look like the Orville will be gone anytime soon. The ratings of the last episode went up quite a bit. The best ratings on Thursday so far.
episode --- live + SD --- live + 3 --- live + 7
1 --- 2.71 / 8.558 mio ---- 3.5 / 11.3 mio ------------------------------- after 35 days: 3.9 / 14.5 million
2 --- 2.17 / 6.631 mio ---- 2.8 / 8.415 mio --- 3.1 / 9.054 mio
3 --- 1.10 / 4.053 mio
4 --- 1.05 / 3.698 mio -------------- ? ------------- 2.1 / 6.811 mio
5 --- 0.91 / 3.431 mio -------------- ? ------------- 2.1 / 6.786 mio
6 --- 0.99 / 3.371 mio ---- 1.9 / ? mio ---------- 2.1 / 6.692 mio
7 --- 1.21 / 4.181 mio
And here is the most recent renew/cancel index. It doesn't include the episodes of this week.
episode --- live + SD --- live + 3 --- live + 7
1 --- 2.71 / 8.558 mio ---- 3.5 / 11.3 mio ------------------------------- after 35 days: 3.9 / 14.5 million
2 --- 2.17 / 6.631 mio ---- 2.8 / 8.415 mio --- 3.1 / 9.054 mio
3 --- 1.10 / 4.053 mio
4 --- 1.05 / 3.698 mio -------------- ? ------------- 2.1 / 6.811 mio
5 --- 0.91 / 3.431 mio -------------- ? ------------- 2.1 / 6.786 mio
6 --- 0.99 / 3.371 mio ---- 1.9 / ? mio ---------- 2.1 / 6.692 mio
7 --- 1.21 / 4.181 mio
And here is the most recent renew/cancel index. It doesn't include the episodes of this week.
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Just watched the latest episode. Yep, Seth McFarlane script. Although the idea for the episode likely came from that TNG episode where Wesley gets the death sentence for trespassing, it still had a nice little twist, with having the perpetrator's fate be decided by the people.
But, IMO, just like About a Girl", it was another pretty good story idea ill served by the script. Having the crux of the episode be based on something so unlikely (and just plain stupid), as a crew member jumping up onto a statue in public and "dancing" with it tears at the character's credibility as well as any drama that may have been presented by the episode. Did McFarlane really believe that bit was that funny? IMO, one of the big problems with the show continues to be Seth's writing. But, what to do? Undoubtedly a significant part of the weekly audience tunes in to see this kind of stuff.
This is the kind of stuff that just makes me roll my eyes while watching The Orville. Other than the pilot, this was my least favorite episode so far.
BTW, Lamarr sometimes strikes me as kind of a stereotype. But I felt the same way about Charles Gunn in Angel and that turned out okay, so we'll see.
But, IMO, just like About a Girl", it was another pretty good story idea ill served by the script. Having the crux of the episode be based on something so unlikely (and just plain stupid), as a crew member jumping up onto a statue in public and "dancing" with it tears at the character's credibility as well as any drama that may have been presented by the episode. Did McFarlane really believe that bit was that funny? IMO, one of the big problems with the show continues to be Seth's writing. But, what to do? Undoubtedly a significant part of the weekly audience tunes in to see this kind of stuff.
This is the kind of stuff that just makes me roll my eyes while watching The Orville. Other than the pilot, this was my least favorite episode so far.
BTW, Lamarr sometimes strikes me as kind of a stereotype. But I felt the same way about Charles Gunn in Angel and that turned out okay, so we'll see.
all that stuff makes me laugh. i must be very immature. but cant take it seriously.
People do stupid things, even smart people. Archer took his dog to a planet and had it piss on a holy plant.
a little different than a human choosing to dry humping a statue and then continuing to be stupid through all your trouble.
All you have to do is look at this planet. People do, and continue to do stupid things all the time. Turn on Jerry Springer sometime.
these are space fairing people in a professional organization.
i mean if i dry humped a statue and anyone saw id get fired not to mention if it made it on youtube.
this is what i mean about finding it funny but not taking it seriously.
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