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Discovery and "The Orville" Comparisons

When The Orville tries for too much humor, it loses me. Otherwise, I do like it. And, yes, it does remind me of older Trek versions. Maybe that's why I like it?

I've only caught the first 3 eps. of Discovery. I'm just behind. I find it interesting, esp. as the characters are quite different than previous Trek incarnations. Right now the only thing bothering me is the prosthetics in the Klingons' mouths. I don't mind the subtitles, it's just their speaking is so jumbled.
 
In the Orville, the humor seems to come from a different, more juvenile and sometimes meta place. I don't like it as much; it stops me from investing in the characters and being immersed in their situation. Especially when it's bringing in Seinfeld and Real Housewives etc references when it's meant to be the 25th century. But others find that kind of stuff hilarious and that's cool. I just wish the humor was more clever and character based than <insert penis/potty/sex/fart/vomit gag or meta joke here>.
Regardless of the humor's origins, it feels very real world, so I find it easier to take the serious in the serious moments, and make jokes the next.
 
Colonel Blake was an inept idiot when it came to military protocol, sure. But he was a conscripted doctor. He did not want to be there. He did not like confrontation and was lax when it came to enforcing military stuff. When it came to managing the doctors and nurses to get the job done medically, however, he was very competent and well respected. Their MASH unit had one of the highest survival rates, which they were lauded for. Everyone loved Blake because he was a decent guy trying to make the best of a really bad situation (he had no prior experience in) for everyone. He did leave early on, and it was one of the saddest episodes of the show for the characters because he was shot down over the sea of Japan.

The only one who was portrayed as truly incompetent at his job was Frank Burns. BJ and Hawkeye were constantly giving him shit for bungling his operations and not giving his best to the patients. He left before the halfway mark. This was a continuing plot point.

When Colonel Potter came on board to take over as XO, he was an ex-military man and much stricter in enforcing proper military protocol. He was often frustrated by Hawkeye's insubordinate actions and attitude (which was Pierce's way of giving the war his proverbial middle finger), but he couldn't deny he was his best surgeon who always came through when lives mattered.

Winchester was a snob, who thought he was superior in every way. Then he got posted to MASH and had a very rude awakening. That said, he was still an excellent doctor who performed well in the operating theater.

MASH did a fantastic job giving different perspectives on the war, how some people wanted to be normal civilians but were conscripted against their will - like Hawkeye, BJ, Klinger, etc. While there were others who were pro-military and wanted to do their part - Colonel Potter, Major Houlihan and Frank Burns.

What made the comedy so sharp, while not detracting from the moments of drama, was how it came from the clash of personalities thrown together into a tense, high stakes situation. People were stressed to the max, trying to deal with long harrowing shifts, dying patients, dysentery, the threat of shelling and disgusting army rations. Hawkeye often was on the brink of a nervous breakdown. He was our mouth-piece for how absurd, arbitrary and dehumanizing war can be. So the humor works because it's very character driven and situational. It's a way for these characters to cope. MASH was a comedy which actually delved pretty deeply into the personal toll war takes on an individual, a community and to a lesser degree, a nation torn apart by civil war.
Very nice sum-up of the way M*A*S*H worked.
 
American?

It's good. Frasier is better.

Fraiser for me is like wine.

I get it, I understand why many love it, I can appreciate the comedy and the dry humor. I don't enjoy it however. Typically we Americans like our comedies a smidge less dry. IMNSHO Mash is the best.

Though, oddly enough he was the character on Cheers that I wish we got more of, I was more excited to see him on Cheers than many of the regulars.
 
I think in light of DIS and ORV I have finally come to the conclusion, that I am actually not a Star Trek fan. I am a fan of the way TNG told its stories. The spin offs DS9, VOY and ENT kept me entertained - not because they were "Star Trek", but because they kept parts of the way TNG told its stories which made me hold my interest. With DIS now I have come to the conclusion that my love relationship with the franchise has ended - because I never really loved the franchise itself, I just loved the way TNG told its stories.

If another show comes across that goes back to the way TNG told its stories, I become a fan of that show, because I personally actually don't care if it has "Star Trek" in its name or references Trek. I only care about the way a show tells its stories - and if it is "Star Trek", it is fine, and if it is not part of the Trek franchise, then it is fine for me too.

Which I personally think is a good thing, because you should never judge a book by its cover.

So, with DIS I finally say Good-Bye to "Star Trek". Because in the end I never was a fan of the franchise, just a fan of TNG and how it told its stories. ORV helped me realize that.

From this day forward, I will not call myself a Star Trek fan anymore. I am a fan of TNG type story telling (independend from the fact, that it is a show under the "Star Trek" brand name). That's pretty much it.
 
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I think in light of DIS and ORV I have finally come to the conclusion, that I am actually not a Star Trek fan. I am a fan of the way TNG told its stories. The spin offs DS9, VOY and ENT kept me entertained - not because they were "Star Trek", but because they kept parts of the way TNG told its stories which made me hold my interest. With DIS now I have come to the conclusion that my love relationship with the franchise has ended - because I never really loved the franchise itself, I just loved the way TNG told its stories.

If another show comes across that goes back to the way TNG told its stories, I become a fan of that show, because I personally actually don't care if it has "Star Trek" in its name or references Trek. I only care about the way a show tells its stories - and if it is "Star Trek", it is fine, and if it is not part of the Trek franchise, then it is fine for me too.

Which I personally think is a good thing, because you should never judge a book by its cover.

So, with DIS I finally say Good-Bye to "Star Trek". Because in the end I never was a fan of the franchise, just a fan of TNG and how it told its stories. ORV helped me realize that.

From this day forward, I will not call myself a Star Trek fan anymore. I am a fan of TNG type story telling (independend from the fact, that it is a show under the "Star Trek" brand name). That's pretty much it.

I can fell ya on that.

I mean I can't really call myself a fan of star trek, as I don't enjoy it as a whole,
 
Orville fans do love to compare it with TNG despite not having any Star Trek lore to back it up. At any rate discovery has a season 2 and might even reach 7 thanks to Star Trek fans. While there are rumors Orville might not have a season 2.
 
Orville fans do love to compare it with TNG despite not having any Star Trek lore to back it up. At any rate discovery has a season 2 and might even reach 7 thanks to Star Trek fans. While there are rumors Orville might not have a season 2.

I dunno that show is stupid funny and from what I hear pretty successful,

Fox loves SM, so I dunno. i don't buy it.
 
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