My recommendation is for Sarek to turn off speakerphone, and just use the headset. You always pickup background noise with the speakerphone, and the imaging system always has trouble tracking to keep your image in one place.
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Yeah, this is how I saw it at the time. I remember posting something about it weeks ago when someone was complaining about the holograms.
I have no problem with the holographic comms as canon violation. Personally, the look of the D7/ship that isn't a D7 but called it is my biggest problem so far. I find it reasonably easy to accept that what we we're seeing now is are better realized versions of how things were always meant to look at this period of time. That D7, plus lack of hair on the Klingons are the biggest detractors to me so far (and then, as someone pointed out, the sculptures on the sarcophagi look look like they have hair).
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It affects it as much as Spock's lines from TOS - "Balance of Terror":
Or Mr. Scott's line:
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Both of which are very incongruous with what we have in Trek canon and history even prior to ENT. Also, the original BoT cloak was just a visual cloak (The ship stilled showed up on motion sensors - which SHOULD have been enough to target it directly and destroy it if we're being honest here - but TOS wanted a 'submarine combat' allegory story here which is why the 1701's
Phasers' (which had been shown as beam weapons in the first filmed/produced episode TOS - "The Corbomuite Maneuver" were more like Photon Torpedoes (to simulate a 'depth charge' (and yes, in TOS remastered they're more like burst/bolt weapons in that mode ala 'Star Wars' - and were shown to be like that at the 'Battle of the Binaries' scenes in ST: D - "Battle At The Binary Stars")
The first time we saw a full Romulan Cloak (IE no sensors able to detect them whatsoever) was in TOS - "The Enterprise Incident" which the Federation stole - and the Romulan Commander stated - "Very soon we'll learn to penetrate it.." - basically implying there was now a 'Cloaking Tech' arms race - Which of course the Romulans 'won' going forward, and the Feds gave up on (or signed a treaty to stop development if you go by TNG - "The Pegasus".
There's also the fannon assumption (because Romulans were using Klingon ship designs in TOS - "The Enterprise Incident") that there was a Klingon/Romulan Alliance; further bolstered by the appearance of 'Cloak tech' on a Klingon BoP in STII:TSFS - although Wporf has stated more than occasion in TNG that the Romulans had been 'Blood Enemies' of the Klingon Empire for centuries.
Bottom line - there's A LOT in TOS - "Balance of Terror" that contradicts A LOT of established canon we fans have just ignored over the years - or that later series have retconned and fans have barely batted an eye. So, either Spock had a memory lappse in BoT - or never encountered Cloaking tech before; and for whatever reason - the fact that some klingon Ships had such tech was never made public during/after the war.
Bottom line: Does the klingons having Cloaking tech retcon (and perhaps lesson the impact of Spock's reveal the Romulan ship has such tech) in BoT? Yep. But given the 50+ year history of Star Trek (and the fact we have various forms pof cloaking tech now, and continue to work on it worldwide) and ALL THE OTHER stated canon stuff we ignore (like the implication the Romulans fought an interstellar war with only sublight drives<-- and yes, that's been retconned too now, but that was the implication in TOS - "Balance of Terror"), IMO it's not a big deal to me. (YMMV)
You know, you're describing my reaction to "Star Trek: Yoyager" after the episode "The 37's" where I stopped watching that show.
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Laugh it off. Or take a shot of alcohol. It doesn't need to affect your enjoyment. Considering how many redesigns of the Klingon makeup there have been (including in Into Darkness), those few lines are inconsequential. You've already accepted worse.
For you, the show need only internally consistent within its corner..DSC...for others the show is Star Trek, which, to some degree has always had some internal consistency, including a looong run. For some this is what makes it Star Trek, the occasional crinkle notwithstanding. You view the chapter, others view the book.
If you try to look at Star Trek as a whole, it is about as consistent as the Bible. Which is, not at all.
I suspect you have studied neither...
Kirk looks like William Shatner, when he was on the bridge of the enterprise, when he was under it on veridian three...he is the same character. Picard is the same whether he talks to Q at Farpoint or Janeway on his way to Romulus. There is a tapestry of these characters meeting each other than goes right through, and is only broken with the alternate universe of the JJ movies, and even then, it’s not broken, merely bent. That whole universe is consistent, for the most part, barring (as I said) the occasional wrinkle. Us fans have been nitpicking it for years (I had books on it..so di many others. They were funny.) but it all pretty much hangs together.
With the absence of actor cameos, it is much harder for DSC to depend on that link, so it has to be done in narrative. As it currently stands, that may be difficult (I have already theorised how that will work out.)
Away from that, broad strokes, like ship shapes, design languages, will carry the day. DSC is fine for that...until we look at the Klingons.
Personally, I blame Neville Page. XD
As to the Bible...well...I think if you bothered with something other than cliff notes, you would find broadly the same thing applies. You probably missed a bit when you doubt read it cover to cover and the deleted scenes.
I am an atheist and am almost always surprised at the bible, when broken down to me taking into linguistic context and historical time frame into account.
I've learned to essentially never take texts that old into simple English translation alone.
Good choice. We have enough difficulty with anime translations these days... xD
The only sci-fi show I've seen in recent memory that was successful at doing this was 2003 Battlestar Galactica. But it won't work for something like Trek.
Apart from TOS to TMP, there have been no redesigns of Klingon makeup. They're bumpy headed creatures. And according to Roddenberry, they were in TOS too.
Dark Matter and Killjoys are both ever so slightly anachronistic. Nineties vibe. Desktop computers with keyboards!
The point is actually still advisable as the Bible is a document collection which, even if you are a guy who believes in its divine inspiration, is one compiled over centuries by different people. Many authors adding a little piece at a time.
I.e. Like Star Trek.
I have a feeling that the episodes Tholian Web, Mirror Mirror, and the Enterprise one in the Mirror universe might be significant to the developing Discovery storyline, so tonight, after Bake Off, and after the kids have gone to sleep, I'm going revisit them with a glug of wine and enjoy them all over again, and in the context of the new series.
I couldn't do this if it was a different continuity, so I'm all the more chuffed that its prime. Discovery is adding value to the existing material, and that's awesome. If they went back on that, it would simultaneously be, both a monumental let down, and an astonishing fuck up.
I couldn't do this if it was a different continuity, so I'm all the more chuffed that its prime. Discovery is adding value to the existing material, and that's awesome. If they went back on that, it would simultaneously be, both a monumental let down, and an astonishing fuck up.
I can't speak for anyone else, but the existing material stands fine on its own.
Sure. Star Trek is a superior moral guide though.
All I know is Deep Space Nine ended with Sisko defeating the Bajoran Satan and ascending to join the Prophets in Heaven.
It certainly does, and Discovery is an optional enhancement.
I'm not finding it an enhancement. I find it something nipping around the edges of what is already known. I find it incredibly dull because it represents nothing but a footnote in history.
It is like a Pocket Books novel on TV. All the major toys have to be put back in the box undamaged.
Everyone's mileage may vary.
I though it was him throwing an evil spellbook in the Mount Doom... Yeah, that part of the plot totally unravelled at some point...All I know is Deep Space Nine ended with Sisko defeating the Bajoran Satan and ascending to join the Prophets in Heaven.
