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The edge of the universe in "Where no one has gone before" and the Mycelium Network

Yeaaah... no
It's pretty clear that STD writers are not looking at any existing Star Trek canon to write this new show (style, history, common sense). Anything resembling continuity and common sense is purely coincidental.
 
Yeaaah... no
It's pretty clear that STD writers are not looking at any existing Star Trek canon to write this new show (style, history, common sense). Anything resembling continuity and common sense is purely coincidental.

Sarcasm? There are a lot of elements from earlier series mentioned and used again in DSC. Some even for the first time again after a long long time.
 
Yeaaah... no
It's pretty clear that STD writers are not looking at any existing Star Trek canon to write this new show (style, history, common sense). Anything resembling continuity and common sense is purely coincidental.

Are you watching the same show we are?

The hatred for Discovery is amusing. There's one camp that thinks it shirks everything about Trek, and there's another camp that thinks it can't survive if it doesn't constantly remind you it's TOS-era Trek.
 
I'm not sure there is a connection between the two however if the writers found some way to connect them, why not I say. I'm more interested though in just going back to that area of space we visited in that TNG episode. We never went back as far as I know, and I always wanted to know more of what we were seeing, especially the hallucinations the crew was experiencing during this. Discovery writers seem to do like to connect things, so we'll see I guess.
 
I'm sure the Discovery writers also watched a lot of early TNG again. Look how much Worf's dialogue with Korris mirrors T'Kuvma talking to Kol for an example.

Worf: Yet in all you say, where are the words duty, honor, loyalty. Without which a warrior is nothing.

T'Kuvma: "My presence." "My voyage." "My time." No one speaks of "my duty" or "my honor."
 
While I admire your attempt to connect the two, the inspiration for the appearance and connectivity (though obviously not this version's spread across the entire universe) of the mycelial network came from its fascinating real life counterpart on Earth, as did the super-sized tardigrade.

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Plants talk to each other using an internet of fungus
By Nic Fleming -- 11 November 2014

While mushrooms might be the most familiar part of a fungus, most of their bodies are made up of a mass of thin threads, known as a mycelium. We now know that these threads act as a kind of underground internet, linking the roots of different plants. That tree in your garden is probably hooked up to a bush several metres away, thanks to mycelia.

The more we learn about these underground networks, the more our ideas about plants have to change. They aren't just sitting there quietly growing. By linking to the fungal network they can help out their neighbours by sharing nutrients and information – or sabotage unwelcome plants by spreading toxic chemicals through the network. This "wood wide web", it turns out, even has its own version of cybercrime.

Around 90% of land plants are in mutually-beneficial relationships with fungi. The 19th-century German biologist Albert Bernard Frank coined the word "mycorrhiza" to describe these partnerships, in which the fungus colonises the roots of the plant.

In mycorrhizal associations, plants provide fungi with food in the form of carbohydrates. In exchange, the fungi help the plants suck up water, and provide nutrients like phosphorus and nitrogen, via their mycelia. Since the 1960s, it has been clear that mycorrhizae help individual plants to grow.

Fungal networks also boost their host plants' immune systems. That's because, when a fungus colonises the roots of a plant, it triggers the production of defense-related chemicals. These make later immune system responses quicker and more efficient, a phenomenon called "priming". Simply plugging in to mycelial networks makes plants more resistant to disease.

But that's not all. We now know that mycorrhizae also connect plants that may be widely separated. Fungus expert Paul Stamets called them "Earth's natural internet" in a 2008 TED talk. He first had the idea in the 1970s when he was studying fungi using an electron microscope. Stamets noticed similarities between mycelia and ARPANET, the US Department of Defense's early version of the internet.

Film fans might be reminded of James Cameron's 2009 blockbuster Avatar. On the forest moon where the movie takes place, all the organisms are connected. They can communicate and collectively manage resources, thanks to "some kind of electrochemical communication between the roots of trees". Back in the real world, it seems there is some truth to this.

It has taken decades to piece together what the fungal internet can do. Back in 1997, Suzanne Simard of the University of British Columbia in Vancouver found one of the first pieces of evidence. She showed that Douglas fir and paper birch trees can transfer carbon between them via mycelia. Others have since shown that plants can exchange nitrogen and phosphorus as well, by the same route.

Simard now believes large trees help out small, younger ones using the fungal internet. Without this help, she thinks many seedlings wouldn't survive. In the 1997 study, seedlings in the shade – which are likely to be short of food - got more carbon from donor trees.

"These plants are not really individuals in the sense that Darwin thought they were individuals competing for survival of the fittest," says Simard in the 2011 documentary Do Trees Communicate? "In fact they are interacting with each other, trying to help each other survive."

http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20141111-plants-have-a-hidden-internet
 
I'm sure the Discovery writers also watched a lot of early TNG again. Look how much Worf's dialogue with Korris mirrors T'Kuvma talking to Kol for an example.

Worf: Yet in all you say, where are the words duty, honor, loyalty. Without which a warrior is nothing.

T'Kuvma: "My presence." "My voyage." "My time." No one speaks of "my duty" or "my honor."

Because the Klingons didn't have any of that. That was the Romulans. Until TNG did a massive retcon on these two, flipping them.

I would love it if we find out that the S.S. Valiant was engage in earlier spore drive experiments and that's how they ended up so close to the galaxy's edge with their primitive drive system.
 
Yeaaah... no
It's pretty clear that STD writers are not looking at any existing Star Trek canon to write this new show (style, history, common sense). Anything resembling continuity and common sense is purely coincidental.
Nonsense, they've expressed numberous times that they intend to uphold canon (even if it may not always seem so).
 
While I admire your attempt to connect the two, the inspiration for the appearance and connectivity (though obviously not this version's spread across the entire universe) of the mycelial network came from its fascinating real life counterpart on Earth, as did the super-sized tardigrade.

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http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20141111-plants-have-a-hidden-internet

Yes, but that doesn't mean that they couldn't have tried to connect this stuff with that TNG episode somehow.

Maybe at the Edge of the Universe the only thing existing is the Mycelium Network without the kind of space as we know it.
 
Ditto magic crystals that let you go faster than the speed of light when you place them inside a giant blue lava lamp.
You do realise that warp drive is basically Alcubierre Drive, which is a real theory, and antimatter is the only known way which could possibly power such a thing? I mean it would't work exactly like that in reality (in reality it will probably never work), but it is not pure fantasy either.
 
You do realise that warp drive is basically Alcubierre Drive, which is a real theory, and antimatter is the only known way which could possibly power such a thing? I mean it would't work exactly like that in reality (in reality it will probably never work), but it is not pure fantasy either.

But Star Trek's version uses magic crystals, sometimes takes people back in time and once turned Tom Paris into a hyper-evolved salamander. It's so heavily fictionalised that it might as well be the magic spore drive of Discovery.
 
Because the Klingons didn't have any of that. That was the Romulans. Until TNG did a massive retcon on these two, flipping them.
Exactly when did the Romulans do any of that is TOS? In their first appearance they were using a cloaking device to attack Earth outposts with a new super weapon in clear violation of treaty. No honor in that. The only loyalty and duty was to a Praetor wishing to go to war.
It is not based on real science any more than My Little Pony is based on true events because real horses exist.
Inspired by real science might be more accurate.
 
You do realise that warp drive is basically Alcubierre Drive, which is a real theory, and antimatter is the only known way which could possibly power such a thing? I mean it would't work exactly like that in reality (in reality it will probably never work), but it is not pure fantasy either.
But was it based on that or was it a happy coincidence?
 
But Star Trek's version uses magic crystals, sometimes takes people back in time and once turned Tom Paris into a hyper-evolved salamander. It's so heavily fictionalised that it might as well be the magic spore drive of Discovery.
Crystals are just catalyst for antimatter reaction, there's really nothing particularly magical about them. The only reason they exist is to act as unobtanium for plots, an important thing that can break, you need it, and you can't replicate it.

Salamanders are obviously idiotic, and everyone agrees on that. But I certainly accept that the spore drive makes about as much sense as them.

As for the time travel, believe or not, the unscientific part is that you don't end up in the past every time you use faster-than-light travel, because based on Theory of Relativity, that's exactly what would happen. This is however ignored in almost all scifi, as it would make the sorts of stories they want to tell impossible.
 
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