Poll If they admitted it wasn't PRIME?

[BillJ]

But the overwhelming amount of complaints that I've seen on these forums about Discovery haven't been about continuity, they've been because the show doesn't match up with the tone of what the complainer considers "real" Star Trek.

You mean like a likable, upbeat cast of main characters? Yeah, I agree that Discovery is lacking something that I've found essential to Star Trek's formula. If I wanted to watch Battlestar Galactica (2004) or The Expanse, I could simply watch those shows. Now, if I want to watch something with the tone of Star Trek before Discovery, I have to watch Supergirl or The Orville.

 

[Mad Jack Wolfe]

Come right out and say that except for a collection of touch points and re-use of names that it's a new "universe" unattached creatively to anything at all.

Fixed it.

 

[Longinus]

You mean like a likable, upbeat cast of main characters? Yeah, I agree that Discovery is lacking something that I've found essential to Star Trek's formula. If I wanted to watch Battlestar Galactica (2004) or The Expanse, I could simply watch those shows. Now, if I want to watch something with the tone of Star Trek before Discovery, I have to watch Supergirl or The Orville.

Doctor Who does that pretty well too.

 

[BillJ]

Doctor Who does that pretty well too.

I've always had trouble getting into Doctor Who, though my wife is a big fan.

 

[Feron]

You mean like a likable, upbeat cast of main characters? Yeah, I agree that Discovery is lacking something that I've found essential to Star Trek's formula. If I wanted to watch Battlestar Galactica (2004) or The Expanse, I could simply watch those shows. Now, if I want to watch something with the tone of Star Trek before Discovery, I have to watch Supergirl or The Orville.

Likeable is a subjective thing.

Do the characters have strong disagreements with each other and frequently argue? Absolutely. So did TOS characters, it was a fixture of the show.

On TNG, not so much.

Thus, you have differing expectations for what constitutes "real" Star Trek to different fans. For me, the atmosphere of a group of very different people who disagree with each other on basic philosophies learning to work together in spite of their differences is "real" Star Trek.

The enforced unicultural atmosphere of TNG was what felt fake to me.

 

[BillJ]

Thus, you have differing expectations for what constitutes "real" Star Trek to different fans. For me, the atmosphere of a group of very different people who disagree with each other on basic philosophies learning to work together in spite of their differences is "real" Star Trek.

These aren't people who have disagreements, these are people who are very dark by their basic natures. A mutineer, a starship captain who murdered his crew, a first officer who had no issues torturing the tardigrade to accomplish his mission.

YMMV.

 

[ITDUDE]

I voted "Don't care" only because there is no option "It would be better"
I already think of Trek having 4 known universes:
1. Prime
2. Kelvin
3. Mirror (Prime-Mirror)
4. Discovery

The door is open for two more Mirror universes (Kelvin-Mirror and Discovery-Mirror) for a total of 6 known Star Trek universes. That's not too bad. I'd actually like a show based on idea of traversing all these. Kinda like what the game Star Trek Timelines is doing.

 

[SolarisOne]

I would be quite happy. I don't like it when people claim something, just to draw people in, when they know it's BS. Just come out and tell us the truth already, and we can enjoy or not enjoy the show on its own merits.

 

[SolarisOne]

I voted "Don't care" only because there is no option "It would be better"
I already think of Trek having 4 known universes:
1. Prime
2. Kelvin
3. Mirror (Prime-Mirror)
4. Discovery

The door is open for two more Mirror universes (Kelvin-Mirror and Discovery-Mirror) for a total of 6 known Star Trek universes. That's not too bad. I'd actually like a show based on idea of traversing all these. Kinda like what the game Star Trek Timelines is doing.

Kelvin-mirror already exists in the comics--I literally just finished reading those issues just a few minutes ago, in fact.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

These aren't people who have disagreements, these are people who are very dark by their basic natures. A mutineer, a starship captain who murdered his crew, a first officer who had no issues torturing the tardigrade to accomplish his mission.

YMMV.

These are characters who are fallible, who strive toward heroic actions and who, sometimes, succeed. They are characters working a heretofore unexplored area of Star Trek lore, and it is likely that we are seeing the evolution of their values as they are tested. The story is not yet over, and it is not yet clear who these characters are ... or who they will become.

 

[ITDUDE]

Kelvin-mirror already exists in the comics--I literally just finished reading those issues just a few minutes ago, in fact.

There you go, though books are not exactly canon. Star Trek vs X-men anyone
But the point is that yea, for every Universe there is a Mirror universe. Bring on STFU (Star Trek Fun Universe instead of existing STDU)

 

[Longinus]

There you go, though books are not exactly canon. Star Trek vs X-men anyone

Picard meeting Xavier would be confusing.

 

[Greg Cox]

Picard meeting Xavier would be confusing.

But it was done in the comics.

 

[fireproof78]

These are characters who are fallible, who strive toward heroic actions and who, sometimes, succeed. They are characters working a heretofore unexplored area of Star Trek lore, and it is likely that we are seeing the evolution of their values as they are tested. The story is not yet over, and it is not yet clear who these characters are ... or who they will become.

Exactly. They are lest ideal, and perhaps a little bit closer to realistic than in past shows.

Are they likable? Not completely, but I find them interesting nonetheless. Likability, for me, is not essential, any more than a D7 looking exactly like TOS Klingon D7. YMMV and all that.

 

[F. King Daniel]

I already think of Trek having 4 known universes:
1. Prime
2. Kelvin
3. Mirror (Prime-Mirror)
4. Discovery

Watch Next Gen's "Parallels" - "For any event, there are an infinite number of possible outcomes" and there's a universe for each one.

 

[Spider]

I don't care as long as the shows are good. So far, they've had two good ones out of five episodes, enough to keep me paying for CBSAA. For now.

There's not a lot of good space based scifi on TV right now, so I'll take what I can get.

 

[-Brett-]

It's obviously not the "prime" continuity. Fessing up to that lie would be a good start.

They'd still be stuck with the premise of Mr. Spock's long lost sister Michael, and her magic mushrooms.

 

[Tuskin38]

Even if the show was visually identical to TOS, the story would still not be out of place.

 

[WarpFactorZ]

I already think of Trek having 4 known universes:
1. Prime
2. Kelvin
3. Mirror (Prime-Mirror)
4. Discovery

Watch Next Gen's "Parallels" - "For any event, there are an infinite number of possible outcomes" and there's a universe for each one.

You guys can think whatever you want, but the showrunners have said this is the Prime universe, so there's not really much to argue.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

Watch Next Gen's "Parallels" - "For any event, there are an infinite number of possible outcomes" and there's a universe for each one.

King Daniel Whatever,

Since I have been here, when you were known as "King Daniel Into Darkness," you have been an iconoclast who has attempted to convince others that Star Trek is barely more than a an action-adventure franchise with familiar characters. In that time, has the existence of "alternative universes/timelines" done much to create acceptance among fandom of th Kelvin timeline?

I doubt it, and we are still left with the question of whether or not it is really "Star Trek."