First episode not written by Macfarlane. It was written by former ENT writer David Goodman.
Discovery and "The Orville" Comparisons
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First episode not written by Macfarlane. It was written by former ENT writer David Goodman.
I don't know. I said, I'm enjoying both The Orville and Discovery and that it is a great moment to be Star Trek and Sci-fi fans but I fully understand anybody who wouldn't like The Orville or Discovery for various reasons. Same thing for any TV shows. You say let them play it out because like me you're on the opinion that The Orville and Discovery are good shows thus far. It's easy for you and me to say that.
Those who don't like The Orville and particularly Discovery will have various reasons why but at the end, it's because they just don't enjoy it (like the other Trek series). Too bad for them, I guess. I don't think it's just one or two things. They just don't like it overall and try to tell us why here.
No fans are completely wrong or bad, it's a matter of personal opinion.
I don't consider Discovery to be dark and dreary. They are only in a constant state of war (thus far/this season).
A war is always a dark moment in anybody's history both personally and as people. It was not the case of TOS, TNG, even DS9 and Voyager. They were not in the state of constant war (but some dark conflicts/war happened: Dominion war, Borg, Romulan, Klingon, Cardassian, Krenim, dark episodes, etc). Some drama in life can involve other things than war, which is an extreme situation. I feel those Star Trek shows were written by people who had something to say about our societies and the current state of humanity and were allowed to express it. I'm feeling Discovery is missing the spirit of exploration, mystery, and adventure of other Trek series and series like Doctor Who, Stargate, Sliders and even The Orville have. But I'm enjoying, Discovery for what it is, not what it is not.
I think there's some truth to the common denominator charge. Without being as greatly written and as cerebral as other Trek series, Discovery is still fun to watch for me thus far. I'm anticipating new episodes every week. I like the cinematography, dialogues, tone, and stories thus far. It's more similar to typical Hollywood production in that sense. It's very hard to aim as high as TOS, TNG, DS9 and Voyager. IMO, those series are so great and almost unique. Same thing with Stargate, Doctor who, Rome, Spartacus, etc. It's very hard and takes a lot of dedication to be as great as other Trek series.
In your post, you're acting like all criticism of Discovery (or The Orville) by fans is wrong, when there's nothing wrong with it. I could hate Discovery and I would say it. You can't say shut up, sit back and enjoy it for somebody who hates Discovery, The Orville or any TV shows. But at the moment, I'm enjoying both Discovery and The Orville. They are both well written and fun. It's a matter of personal taste and I truly think it's a great moment to be Star Trek and Sci-fi fans. I can't wait for new episodes of The Orville and Discovery every week.
Yeah, I'm going to have to disagree with you very hard right now. While I don't think Orville is Firefly level, it certainly is MASH level at times, in terms of moving from jokes to serious, even if the writing isn't as tight. It has its silly moments, but try telling me that the end of "The Krill" or "Pria" are great punch line endings. They are not, and they left a sober mark on the main character.
It's actually a theoretical engine model, based upon physics. While I like the originality of the "spore drive" (reminds me a bit of Dune) Orville has tried to inject some weird world science as well.
I would watch that, for certain.
Secondly, I think Orville has a nice mixture of serious and comedy.
Finally, woldn't a Kelsey Grammer cameo as a captain be fantastic?
Discovery has around 54 million total so divided by 5 that would be 10.8 million per episode if we average it.
http://www.indiewire.com/2017/10/ne...fenders-full-house-house-of-cards-1201888675/
Discovery has 12.5 million per episode according to this
http://www.indiewire.com/2017/10/ne...fenders-full-house-house-of-cards-1201888675/
So hope fully both shows will be renewed. Ozark was one interesting show--no Breaking Bad (yet), but interesting.
You really don't know how to read that, do you?
yeah i know i was correcting the spelling of the drive wondering if ed misspelled it on purpose.
i will respectfully disagree. whereas i acknowledge they move into the drama... i find it a fair bit lame when they do. i certainly dont think they handle mortality quite as well as MASH
Presumably because they wanted to pay him what someone would get for two days work and he thought he deserved better.
Personally, I'm glad. I'd rather they lay off the cameo casting for a while.
Did I say as well? No, I said that the switch from comedy to drama fit that mold. Nothing will compare to MASH, in my humble estimation, but it perhaps set me up to appreciate the back and forth that the Orville is employing. That's all.
And, to be a bit pedantic, while it may not reach MASH levels when dealing with mortality, it is not joke after joke after joke, either.
No, this is definitely not true. CBS All Access doesn't even have so many subscribers.
http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/star-trek-discovery-premiere-ratings-cbs-all-access-1202570092/
The article is from September so maybe there are a few more now, but still not enough for so many viewers. I mean the first episode "only" got 9.49 million viewers on CBS.
Discovery had 54 million demand impressions for the first few episodes together and they determined them like this:
Whether CBS All Access pans out or not, it seems Discovery is enjoying a lot of exposure through Netflix. If All Access dies a horrible death, you can bet that Discovery will easily transition into Netflix as in the US and undoubtably increase its audience.
Heck, if and when Discovery gets a second season, I wouldn't be surprised if Netflix US gets the first season in its catalog, increasing its audience by a large number, and if they want to see the second season badly then they'll just hop onto CBS.
Heck, if and when Discovery gets a second season, I wouldn't be surprised if Netflix US gets the first season in its catalog, increasing its audience by a large number, and if they want to see the second season badly then they'll just hop onto CBS.
oh its ok. im quite pedantic myself.
the point im trying to make is this show survives on its comedy. the drama is interchangeable imo.
I think it's a solid combination of both, and that's due to the characters.
They are adding in CBS all access with netflicks numbers so this is all over the world.
They are adding in netflicks with CBS all Access, I get it that CBS all Access is a rip off and everyone wants discovery on netflicks.
well you and i fundamentally disagree. but i enjoy the conversation. perhaps ill change my mind as more episodes come out
Possibly
Gee why so nasty all the time?
Orville figures are US only...it’s not available outside the US yet. (Can you believe that happens in the 21st century? )
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