"Choose Your Pain" Klingon ship (Visual spoilers?)
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Excuse me?We've seen D7-class ships before. They did not look like that.
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Which is probably why they DID mention it. There's a crucial line in there where one of Shenzhou's officers points out that the Federation fleet is nearly destroyed, but the Klingon fleet isn't much better off; they'd basically fought each other to mutual exhaustion and both were waiting for reinforcements to arrive.
Which kind of supports the theory that Discovery is pretty much a solid reboot of the TOS timeline, yes? If there had been ANY possibility of the classic designs being present in this series, they would have been present in the very first battle. Not here, five episodes later, in a scene when their appearance hardly matters.
The intent is that the new design is what they're designating the Klingon D7. If you want to know WHY they're doing this, you'd have to ask them yourself.
Soft visual reboot. Not solid.
Depends on the rendering software they're using. If the model was in an old format (which it definitely was) then importing it into whatever system they're using to render the new visuals would be time and therefore money intensive.
Despite what you may think, CGI isn't actually CHEAPER than old school filming methods using models and camera tricks. It's just alot more EFFECTIVE for a given amount of time and expense. CGI effects can be surprisingly expensive depending on how complex they are, and if you have to build a whole new model for one 15 seconds scene, you're probably losing money.
TMP updated the look of the Klingon cruisers, yes. But it still kept the basic design, as would be expected for anything taking place in a consistent timeline ("reboot" implies a break in continuity, and it's already been established that DSC is not that).
As for the term "D7", though, I actually suspect that it's strictly a Federation term. Meaning, it's what Starfleet calls the class, not what the Klingons call it. (And it doesn't sound like a Klingon word anyway, does it?
) We don't really know what "D7" means, so I suppose Starfleet tacticians could have updated its meaning somehow.
Visual updates improve the makeup used or detailing of the ships used. Even superhero movies, when updating the visuals, tend to keep the general motif of the product they are selling, or flat out say its a reboot/other universe.
This is a completely different model that in no way resembles a D7. Unless the D7 can fold itself in now for some reason and they are running in a mode that makes it unrecognizable as a D7 to the audience.
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Excuse me?
We saw Klingons in TOS, those rhings in TMP do not look like them!
How do you know that?
How do you know THAT? It easily could be.
But in either case, a "visual reboot" literally means that all of the TOS visuals are replaced anyway. So yeah, from now on, that's what the D7s always looked like.
And we eventually got an explanation for that. We haven't yet had one for this. Although it's still possible.
A reboot of the Prime timeline
A reboot of the Prime timeline
That's a contradiction in terms.
A reboot of the Prime timeline
It wouldn't be the prime timeline then.
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Gonzo
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Even if it is a visual reboot why did they keep all the Starfleet vessels intact and easily recognisable and completely change the Klingons.
I still cant see what they gained by doing that.
They could easily have created a new higher quality D7 model like the one we saw in Star Trek (2009), it wouldn't have cost any more to do, in fact it would have cost much less.
Not remotely the same. This is way more drastic that anything in TMP. There is even perfect example
TMP went from this:
to this:
Whereas DIscovery went to this:
This is no way comparable.
I don't know, man, it doesn't make any sense.
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Gonzo
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Its almost like they changed their minds half way through or ran out of time maybe, but even that doesn't work as basing a new design on an established one would be far quicker than starting from scratch.
TMP updated the look of the Klingon cruisers, yes. But it still kept the basic design, as would be expected for anything taking place in a consistent timeline ("reboot" implies a break in continuity, and it's already been established that DSC is not that).
As for the term "D7", though, I actually suspect that it's strictly a Federation term. Meaning, it's what Starfleet calls the class, not what the Klingons call it. (And it doesn't sound like a Klingon word anyway, does it?
They changed kligons before, changing a ship is an ever smaller change. This is the D7, we do not have to like it, but this is how they choose to update the design.
Claiming"this is not a D7" is simply false, because it is now.
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