It is a fascinating creature.
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x05 - "Choose Your Pain"
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That is harsh. Also right now it’s the highest rated episode on this forum I think
They're grown ups, spending quite a sum of money and time, asking us to do the same, to help bolster an entire streaming service, contending with two audiences.
So yes, criticisms of this are going to be harsh. It has a lot to live up to and so far it isn't.
Initially, he didn't WANT to. He lives off the spores and Discovery has the most plentiful supply of them around. He's probably never eaten that well in his life. But after the first or second or even third jump, it stopped being worth it and he would have preferred to leave... only by that point he's physically and mentally too weak to do so, plus they keep beaming him out of his enclosure into the chamber where he has no idea what the hell is going on.
Once Burnham puts him outside with a little snack for the road, he knows it's time to move on and find some place safer to be. Maybe a place where there's both food AND a lack of squishy aliens that torture him without warning for no obvious reason?
You can tell me their writing is incompetent when you can show me YOUR completed and filmed screenplay for a major television franchise and then explain to me why your screenplay is superior to theirs.
By that logic of equivalency, the show-runners would justifiably be able to levy equal criticisms towards the viewers, citing them for being lazy, ignorant and uninformed, not being able to make the leaps of logic and reading between the lines instead of wasting time spelling out everything for us. When they did that in series' past, the "true fans" were incensed that the producers would insult our intelligence by treating us like ignorant children. Now that they're assuming a higher-order intellect watching their show, leaving some pieces out and letting the fans' imaginations take over, they're getting called out for that too. I take it as a compliment that they think I'm smart enough to follow what they're doing. I like to think they're right about that.
So damned if you do, damned if you don't. I just like to simply enjoy it and suss out the missing pieces later, if I'm so inclined. It's worked out pretty well so far, I think. I guess that means I'm just not a "true fan", then. Fine by me.
Possibly, but betraying a Starfleet captain to the enemy during wartime is difficult to redeem yourself from, and is worse than anything listed on his file.
I don't want to make too many assumptions, though; the show my very well surprise me.
A wise statement.
I personally choose to give something of this scope a healthy chance to get on its feet and not to wantonly shit on it just because...well...y'know...REASONS.
By the way, whose bright idea was it to make the spore drive powered by Titty Twisters? There's got to be a better injection and gripping site than right into the boob/moob/tardititty. It's like 50 Shades of Purple Nurple up in here.
Well, it COULD have been worse - they could have decided to show the device giving the integrated navigator a Wedgie...By the way, whose bright idea was it to make the spore drive powered by Titty Twisters and Purple Nurples? There's got to be a better injection and gripping site than right into the boob/moob/tardititty.
Where did I say that I condone torture or thought it was a worthwhile tool?
That fact that he is willing to do so in the first place is the problem. Watching the episode it's obvious that Mudd would do ANYTHING to save his own neck and that makes him too big a risk.
His "humanity" is not worth risking the safety of the captain and a POW. If he had been the one caught in the hallway when the female klingon appeared, he would have immediately been pointing in the direction that the captain went. Nope, sorry but not worth the risk.
Oh damn! There is a little bleeding puncture wound on the side there - didn't notice that before!By the way, whose bright idea was it to make the spore drive powered by Titty Twisters? There's got to be a better injection and gripping site than right into the boob/moob/tardititty. It's like 50 Shades of Purple Nurple up in here.
WELL then...Seems Stamets is into teh M&M's for building that little contraption, isn't he? Now we know the REAL reason he got in the booth. Maybe this IS the mirror universe and he was the inventor of the first agonizer booth. Kinky little minx!
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I will just sit here patiently and wait for Burnhams turn in the box, that will truly sort the Tardegrades from the Homo Sapiens.By the way, whose bright idea was it to make the spore drive powered by Titty Twisters? There's got to be a better injection and gripping site than right into the boob/moob/tardititty. It's like 50 Shades of Purple Nurple up in here.
Alas it seems they don't use the clamps on humans as there is no need.
Aiding the enemy against your own military? They have a word for that.
No traitor is worth the life of a captain and a POW.
This is where I'm at. Despite the fact that this is the best Trek and the most excited for new Trek I've been since TNG premiered, I know damn well it's not "PERFECT," but...we need to be realistic about two very important things:
1. Each of the other series took 2 full seasons of 24+ episodes to really get their footing with the characters, dynamics and style of storytelling. Discovery has been on for 5 episodes, and will only have 15 episodes this season.
2. The "serialized" format means that many things about the tone/themes, characters, and style will develop as the season progresses, like a long drawn-out movie. It's very difficult to judge the series when we're just out of the starting blocks and getting into our grove. These characters will all develop and change and evolve as time goes on. Unlike the other series where the episodic nature meant the characters were largely (not entirely, but LARGELY) static...this series requires you to stay for the journey and see who these people become. It's equally tough to judge the story as well...becuase the story and associated themes won't be complete until episode 15.
So...it's tough to judge certain elements right now. You can certainly judge your week-to-week enjoyment (and many have). But, if your major points of contention are the story tone or characters...that's a tough spot to weigh-in from because the painting isn't complete. Now, if it's just "I hate war stories" or "I hate darkly lit bridges" then that's perfectly reasonable. This ain't for you.
But otherwise, patience is a virtue.
Indeed. Since Mudd had proven himself to be a hostile actor, working against Lorca and (ostensibly) Tyler in hostile territory during a time of war, he's lucky he didn't get sent to the green mist of an appropriated Klingon disruptor for his troubles.
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I would have been tempted but then again I don't know how many rounds the Klingon weapon fires so probably best to save the ammo, it could be needed down the line.
Good point.
You didn't. But you blame Mudd for things he did to evade torture. As I said: People will do anything to evade torture. All people. Even Picard. Tell stupid lies, sell out their friends. That really does not make them bad people. Everyone would do anything to evade this sort of torture.
Case in point: What if the situation would have been reversed? What if Mudd was the one shagging the klingon lady, and Tyler the one who has a listening device on his body?
Really, there is no differentiating between the two. Both do what they have to do to survive. You can't call one "good" and the other "bad". The only real difference between the two was, that one of them had a Starfleet uniform and was prepared for these types of situations. And the other one was a civilian. Who was a bit more cowardly. Surprise. So to death with him!
Yes it is. Because it WOULDN'T have taken any additional risks to tug him along! He is ALSO a POW! How hard is this to grasp? Both would do anything in this situation to evade. There is no way Mudd would betray his saviours during the act of saving him.
Really, the only reason Lorca decided to let him die was because he wasn't as endurable under torture as his cellmates, and that he was kind of a dick about it. None of this justifies leaving him behind. In real life, the USA does everything to retrieve even deserters from terrorists.
I totally agree. It's a time of war and Mudd was a traitor as far as Lorca had determined.
Maybe the old cliche thing to do would have been to smile, save him, and give him a stern lecture at the end of the episode...but last time I watched...DSC has been pretty good at avoiding Trek cliches and is far more realistic about portraying realistic human behavior.
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