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Lorca is a coward and murderer, how come he's a Starfleet Captain still??
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I certainly hope there isn't. We've gotten more than enough Thirty-One in the novels.
The bug had a name? 
Oh, and as a prisoner on a ship, I would automatically assume they have an open intercom/listening devices in the cells (cameras too); but yeah, 'Stuart' was probably something Mudd did know about and was colluding with the Klingons for better treatment, etc. That's Mudd in a nutshell - he's always been that way (He was ready to let the 1701 drift in space powerless 10 year later in universe.)
Lorca did what a Prisoner should do - assess the situation and not do anything that gives info the Klingon High Command will find useful. He should have 100% squashed 'Stuart'; just to teach Mudd a lesson about that..
Oh, and as a prisoner on a ship, I would automatically assume they have an open intercom/listening devices in the cells (cameras too); but yeah, 'Stuart' was probably something Mudd did know about and was colluding with the Klingons for better treatment, etc. That's Mudd in a nutshell - he's always been that way (He was ready to let the 1701 drift in space powerless 10 year later in universe.)
Lorca did what a Prisoner should do - assess the situation and not do anything that gives info the Klingon High Command will find useful. He should have 100% squashed 'Stuart'; just to teach Mudd a lesson about that..
Yo, dawg. I heard you like bugs. Don't catch any.
He is a tool, but not a complete tool. He is flying around in a ship full of eggheads trying to accomplish a mission that involves saving lives and combat so, I think he kind of has to be a bit of a tool.
His is a very well written character. The distance between him and Stamets is great.
I hope the show keeps that one up.
Yeah, that was bizarre. It was completely stupid to have a separate listening device and it was stupid that Lorca was surprised by the fact that they were listened.
He didn't seem that surprised. Angry that he got sold out by a human, maybe. The "intel" he gave out made it sound like the Federation had a cloaking device.
I don't know if that is a fair comment in this case. Star Trek presents itself by means of the Federation and its principles. It isn't squinting to find fault when the Captain of our flagship is given a backstory that is as damning as this.
Star Trek fans are many and varied, the fandom fractured into tons of subsets, and any Star Trek producers not knowing this ahead of time have no frigging idea of what they are getting into. The producers here knew exactly what they were getting into, and knew full well that it wouldn't matter what they did because there will ALWAYS be some who hate it violently.
O'RLY? Go rewatch TOS - "The Doomsday Machine". Commodore Decker pulled rank on Spock an d there appeared to be no regulation preventing that - even after he already lost the Constellation and the entire crew. You'd think there would be something is teh regs about not being able to assume Command again until a board of inquiry - but, obviously not.
I think you need to rewatch it.
Commodore Decker remained on his ship to confront the doomsday machine and go down with it. He beamed his entire crew to (what at the time was thought as) safety on the planet’s surface to save them. Later he’s clearly suffering from guilt, is relieved of command while still "in the field", steals a shuttlecraft and goes alone on a suicide mission.
Captain Lorca did the exact opposite! He purposely killed his entire crew while he managed to save only himself! And then not only he wasn’t relieved of command or reprimanded but was awarded by Starfleet Command a new prestigious command!
No - after an incident like this (again, it was also NOT a wartime situation. Decker should have been confined to Sickbay and NOT have been able to re-assume command of anything IF Star Fleet was anything like the a regular military terrestrial Navy. There was no lack of compotent senior Command staff available to command the ship in Kirk's absence; and Kirk (once he was aware of the situation) levied his personal authority as teh named Captain of teh 1701 to have his Exec relieve Decker and assume command.
I wasn't judging Decker's actions that caused him to loose his ship and crew, but the difference is:
Starfleet did have some sort of inquiry into the incident of lorca loosing his ship and crew and judged him fit to take command of the 1031. Decker should never have been able to claim command of the 1701 given the situation as it stood.
I think the writers have sacrificed story and message for bells and whistles. They want 'ah ha' moments. Discovery is made to be noticed like they are creating something pretentious.. it is a production. So they make monstrous versions of Klingons primarily for affect and because they can. Creates more of a buzz. They go a little further to squeeze out an easy find emotion. Let's throw in a scene where Captain Georgiou is eaten. Problem is the more they demonise the Klingons the more one- dimensional they have become. Is that lazy writing? Yes. Getting to see the enemy as more than monsters is something Star Trek has achieved before and has thrown under the bus this time.
Lorca and this reveal is the same type of wringing out a cheap emotion..writing, the sense of character development worked out afterwards. It may all turn out that with a flick of the pen Lorca is redeemed and his mass murder was a lie (that weirdly and incompatibly Mudd was in on), but a lie to fool Ash who is or may turn out to be.. a spy or a re-engineered Klingon torchbearer, or may be he's Ripper's little brother. Whatever twists and turns it takes to make his 'character' redeemable, when actually writing him with a vestige of that decency hasn't been given to him and would be a better, more human reference. Clearly he is generating a blind loyalty, no matter what, so that is interesting.
At best he represents nothing of the superior Federation principles and at worse he's damaged - neither speaks well for Starfleet. Either way he's what we've been given as Captain of Discovery and he's fair game for any and every criticism coming his way.
Lorca and this reveal is the same type of wringing out a cheap emotion..writing, the sense of character development worked out afterwards. It may all turn out that with a flick of the pen Lorca is redeemed and his mass murder was a lie (that weirdly and incompatibly Mudd was in on), but a lie to fool Ash who is or may turn out to be.. a spy or a re-engineered Klingon torchbearer, or may be he's Ripper's little brother. Whatever twists and turns it takes to make his 'character' redeemable, when actually writing him with a vestige of that decency hasn't been given to him and would be a better, more human reference. Clearly he is generating a blind loyalty, no matter what, so that is interesting.
At best he represents nothing of the superior Federation principles and at worse he's damaged - neither speaks well for Starfleet. Either way he's what we've been given as Captain of Discovery and he's fair game for any and every criticism coming his way.
I just don't see these Klingons as being the same ones the Organians claimed the Federation would become fast friends with just a decade later.
Because it was the 1031st starship so registered?Ha ha so tell me why the serial number NCC-1031 by luck
one after the USS Glenn, NCC 1030? Production reason, because Bryan Fuller enjoys oblique references to Halloween.
The one thing we have to remember is the only thing we know for sure is that Lorca survived, blames himself, but a Starfleet Board Of Enquiry decided that he was cleared to command another starship. Until we actually see the full story, we can't decide which way we should regard him.
He may have never faced a board of inquiry. They may have just bought whatever he said and moved him onto Discovery.
The bug had a name?
The bug was named after the Stuart character in The Big Bang Theory
Court martial is standard Starfleet procedure after loss of a ship, except when it isn't.
Yep. Contrary to popular belief, Starfleet does whatever the Hell it wants in any given situation.
It is good to be the King.
Because it was the 1031st starship so registered?
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Nah thats to convinient the ncc-1031 will last many seasons why did the gave the destroyd sister not for instance ncc-1028 and discovery 1029. I also wonder the black badge's also known only used on the ncc-1031as far as we know. So to many sinster links to S31
