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Lorca is a coward and murderer, how come he's a Starfleet Captain still??

You roll your eyes, but can you name a redeeming quality of the Klingons after five episodes?

whether or not I can is pretty irrelevant.

this political projection is truly sad, and truly pathetic.

the merits of the show have nothing to do with "the MAGA" crowd. Yes the Klingons are one dimensional, only trump supporters would like that show.
 
Can you name a redeeming quality about the Borg? How about the Dominion?

There are just some people who hate the show so much, it must be "That's for conservatives" because I hate both. The race of aliens is one dimensional and warlike so, the MAGA people would like it.

Some of these people are half a step away from saying Orville is for Hillary supporters

Some people just can't leave politics out of anything.
 
So despite having a mancave where he proudly has the skeletal remains of a Gorn, the remains of a Horta and he's been authorizing his crew to torture an animal for the sake of warp propulsion, despite having willingly killed his entire previous crew, it's the fact that he nearly killed a spider or bug or whatever that we're complaining about?

Guess what, Picard kept a fish captive in his ready room, despite there being a facility on board where aquatic animals contributed to ship functions. Fun fact, this is an actual complaint Patrick Stewart brought up while TNG was in production, and partially inspired Jellico's line about "someone get that fish out of my ready room."
 
Can you name a redeeming quality about the Borg? How about the Dominion? What difference does it make?

They weren't spending half of the season telling a story from the Borg or Dominion's perspective.
 
No. It is that we are seeing brown people who are different than us that have no redeeming qualities.

..........k

It's a big republican conspiracy, in fact I think Discovery is secretly Russian backed to brainwash everyone in the USA. STD is trying to convince us all that brown is bad and white is good.
/srcsm

I think it's just obvious you're being rather petty. "I don't like discovery so it's MAGA"!
 
I think it's just obvious you're being rather petty. "I don't like discovery so it's MAGA"!

I don't like it, or hate it. I'm solidly "meh" about the whole affair. But it doesn't change the fact the Klingons are brown people presented with no redeeming qualities.
 
I don't like it, or hate it. I'm solidly "meh" about the whole affair. But it doesn't change the fact the Klingons are brown people presented with no redeeming qualities.

They've been somewhat varied in color from white to obsidian.

But we get it, one dimensional race of aliens, so racism, must mean they are trying to get the MAGA crowd to watch.

It's a nice leap.

Actually if you were to look into it you'd find the exact opposite. The rumored point about the Klingons is to insult the perceived isolationist and purist politics of the hard right, not to make a show for the MAGA crowd. Though I think that's equally petty in nature, your idea that the show is making a point to say brown people are bad is beyond absurd.

https://www.salon.com/2017/09/22/star-trek-discovery-creators-our-klingons-are-secretly-trumpsters/
 
Lorca did die with his ship.

...

Then another one took his place. And Lt. Landry came with him.
 
I just wonder how you missed the Klingons being that one dimensional up until now?

I never said they weren't.

I believe the idea that you're buying into and pushing that "it must mean it's written for the maga crowd" is pretty. Very petty. And also categorically incorrect.
 
I've come to the conclusion the developers of this show are damned if they do no matter what. There is almost some compulsive need to find things to hate about it, among a lot of viewers. If it survives that toxicity at all, it will have done so, like trek usually does, in spite of its fans.
 
I've come to the conclusion the developers of this show are damned if they do no matter what. There is almost some compulsive need to find things to hate about it, among a lot of viewers. If it survives that toxicity at all, it will have done so, like trek usually does, in spite of its fans.

So if we question what choices they make we hate it and are creating a toxic atmosphere? Damn, that sounds like it was written for Trump!
 
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