Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x05 - "Choose Your Pain"

[Boomer359]

Not to mention that Rura Penthe is a Klingon prison. LOL

Actually (and I got this slightly wrong before, I was remembering from a different film and thinking it was said to Chekov), but the actual line is:

"Pray, Mr. Saavik, the Klingons don't take prisoners".

I always took it to mean, pray as in hope. Hope they kill you instead if taking you prisoner because being taken prisoner by Klingons is not a nice thing. As in, he thought in the way Lorca did when killing his crew.

The actual line is:

Saavik: "Any suggestions, Admiral?"
Kirk: "Prayer, Mr. Saavik. The Klingons don't take prisoners."

It's a definitive statement.

Which is disproven by the constant taking of prisoners they keep doing, putting them on trial, and having prisons for them. Since before Enterprise, and all the way through to Nemesis.

Kirk was trying to scare her, using a blatantly false statement.

Actually, it goes like this:
Saavik: Any suggestions, Admiral?
Kirk: Prayer, Mr. Saavik. The Klingons don't take prisoners.

Kor

I always took this "no prisoners" thing as propaganda. There are so many instances of the Klingons actually taking prisoners that it can't be taken literally. Since the dealings with the Klingons are so often used as allegory for contemporary conflicts, it seems like this and other instances of dehumanization, such as the overt racism shown towards the Klingons in Star Trek VI, are attempts to call attention to how real soldiers are taught to see their enemies as less than human to make it easier to kill them.

 

[Gonzo]

If there was nothing in the show that I liked, I wouldn't bother. But there is, quite a bit. Which makes the stupid bits even more annoying.

The issues could have been turned into huge wins for the show as well, the worst error is an unforced error.

 

[Shalashaska]

Completely forgot a new episode of DSC was out yesterday.

I think that might tell you something.

 

[AndorianAle]

Apparently Lorca has never seen an episode of Star Trek before; never ride a shuttle as means of transport between destinations. Something bad will ALWAYS happen. ESPECIALLY if you're going to/coming from a Starfleet Medical Conference.

Death of Security Officer. Check
Shuttle Craft Incident. Check
Is Armus just around the corner!?

 

[Gonzo]

We'll see if Ash survives the Tribble Test...

I will be a bit disappointed if Lorca really does fall for the old humanlike Klingon spy ruse, its pretty old by now.

I cant see Lorca being so foolish, would explain why he didn't kill L'Ressa on the ship if he knew something was up and was playing along.

 

[BillJ]

Oh, I get it. So only one more week of this, until the first month subscription expires. Surely they won't renew, right?

I am actually enjoying the actors, which I've commented on more than once. Though, I gotta say, watching people squirm when non-sense is pointed out is pretty fun and worth the ten bucks a month.

Like why have a high value commodity being transported by shuttlecraft during a war? Or the fact that Stuart made no sense, because the Klingons could have simply bugged the cell? It was done simply so Mudd could have a reason for revenge later on in the show.

 

[guyute03]

 

[Gonzo]

I am actually enjoying the actors, which I've commented on more than once. Though, I gotta say, watching people squirm when non-sense is pointed out is pretty fun and worth the ten bucks a month.

Like why have a high value commodity being transported by shuttlecraft during a war? Or the fact that Stuart made no sense, because the Klingons could have simply bugged the cell? It was done simply so Mudd could have a reason for revenge later on in the show.

Or as misdirection so Lorca won't suspect Ash Tyler, he could be a red herring though.

They knew exactly when Lorca was leaving and also the route he would take, makes me think there may already be a spy on the ship.

 

[eschaton]

Is it just me, or was Saru kind of orange in the first two episodes, and is very pinkish now?

 

[BillJ]

Or as misdirection so Lorca won't suspect Ash Tyler, he could even a red herring though.

Lorca, the fleet's god and savior, should be smarter than that.

Tyler should likely be spending a long time with a psychiatrist, after seven months in Klingon captivity. Never allowed anywhere near sensitive items on Discovery or any other ship.

 

[Boomer359]

Is it just me, or was Saru kind of orange in the first two episodes, and is very pinkish now?

I think he was just framed in a lot of orange/yellow light (from the binary stars) in the first two episodes.

 

[Wulfsa]

I think the reason why he did not kill L´rell is it was a revenge for his torture. He wants that she suffer.
I did not read the other 47 pages so if someone said this before... i´m sorry.

 

[Gonzo]

Lorca, the fleet's god and savior, should be smarter than that.

I would think so yes, he killed his own crew rather than let them be captured, so he may be suspicious of how easy the escape was.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Remember when Seska was a good Bajoran girl that wouldn't hurt a fly?

 

[guyute03]

All the screenshots I have time for this week, sadly. A rear shot of those Klingon raiders.

 

[137th Gebirg]

Ugh...

 

[Boomer359]

All the screenshots I have time for this week, sadly. A rear shot of those Klingon raiders.

Kinda reminds me of the Lexx.

 

[Rahul]

All the screenshots I have time for this week, sadly. A rear shot of those Klingon raiders.

Ugh.

This would actually be a pretty neat design. If it were a completely new alien species, and NOT klingon!
I really don't get the klingon reboot. I don't get it. Why use something so iconic, with so many fans, and then completely disregard everything, exept the language? Like, what was gained with that? It didn't "expand" the klingons in any way. It just changed them. And made them way more uniform, actually. They look less individualistic than ever before. But it didn't even even just made them different. It made them less iconic, in fact GENERIC, and in a BIG way.

 

[137th Gebirg]

This. It is an awesome design on its own, IMO. But when I see it, "Klingon" is not what my brain screams at me.

 

[cultcross]

Everybody:

Let's be clear about something. Anyone on the board is permitted to watch, or not watch, Discovery as they see fit, and come and talk about it as they see fit, as long as it is within the rules of the board.

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Everyone is entitled to express an opinion on the content of Discovery, good, bad, mixed, anything. And we don't need threads filling up with moaning about that. If there is a rule violation, hit 'notify', otherwise just discuss the points raised or ignore them.