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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x05 - "Choose Your Pain"
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5/10 from me.
STD feels like such wasted potential. Wish we got a proper pre-TOS era series that looked and felt appropriate to the timeline.
I would have even preferred a Capt. Robert April series, instead of BSG-lite. The spore drive teleportation stuff is super silly and a really awkward concept to introduce at this early point in the Trek timeline.
I don't think Sonequa Martin Green can carry this show. She comes off as very smug and unlikeable, even when delivering exposition. Issacs and Jones are pretty good, but the show seems to revolve around Michael. Sadly, that breaks the show.
STD feels like such wasted potential. Wish we got a proper pre-TOS era series that looked and felt appropriate to the timeline.
I would have even preferred a Capt. Robert April series, instead of BSG-lite. The spore drive teleportation stuff is super silly and a really awkward concept to introduce at this early point in the Trek timeline.
I don't think Sonequa Martin Green can carry this show. She comes off as very smug and unlikeable, even when delivering exposition. Issacs and Jones are pretty good, but the show seems to revolve around Michael. Sadly, that breaks the show.
He still killed them, which means he's capable of doing it - something the Admiralty likely can't say about very many other CO's.
It's funny. What they're doing with Lorca is what I would have preferred they do with Burnham: gradually peeling back the onion. I'm more invested in his story after a dozen lines of dialogue than after I am in Michael after all the time spent with her character. He's interesting precisely because we don't see everything. He's gone from being the "evil captain" to, potentially, the "tragic anti-hero." He's ambiguous in the good way, while Michael, to me, is ambiguous in the ill-defined way. She's moving in the obvious "conscience of the crew" direction, but I don't still don't understand her previous actions, or who she is as a person.
I loved it!
Treating Ripper properly was great and a wonderful humanitarian moment for the people who I know a lot of folks were just dismissing as insensitive jackasses not two weeks ago. Same with Lorca; we got to see him have some genuine regret. I think he truly wants to succeed not so much for his own glory but for the memory of the crew of the Buran. The fact that he maintains a vulnerability (his eyes) is telling, to me. If he wanted to win at all costs, damn the torpedoes and full speed ahead, then he would have that corrected as it would be a liability. Instead, he keeps it as his penances. I get the feeling spores might be involved in changing things (I had originally thought his injury was a spore infestation).
Loved the list of captains when Saru pulls it up. Was Gary Mitchell mentioned anywhere (not on that screen, but elsewhere)? I ask because I was skimming this thread and thought I saw a reference.
I also loved the delayed mirror reaction. It might be the MU, it might be another universe (e. g. a third one beyond the Prime and the Mirror). Or it could be a time delay. Isn't the next episode Lethe? That would, I think, point toward a kind of limbo.
The mirror scene is also yet another reference to Alice in Wonderland/Through the Looking Glass. I think in every episode there is going to be some sort of a reference.
Also - because I really need to start working so I gotta go - I loved the warping tardigrade! Zooming through the universe and making little mushroom friends (or snacks) everywhere he goes.
Treating Ripper properly was great and a wonderful humanitarian moment for the people who I know a lot of folks were just dismissing as insensitive jackasses not two weeks ago. Same with Lorca; we got to see him have some genuine regret. I think he truly wants to succeed not so much for his own glory but for the memory of the crew of the Buran. The fact that he maintains a vulnerability (his eyes) is telling, to me. If he wanted to win at all costs, damn the torpedoes and full speed ahead, then he would have that corrected as it would be a liability. Instead, he keeps it as his penances. I get the feeling spores might be involved in changing things (I had originally thought his injury was a spore infestation).
Loved the list of captains when Saru pulls it up. Was Gary Mitchell mentioned anywhere (not on that screen, but elsewhere)? I ask because I was skimming this thread and thought I saw a reference.
I also loved the delayed mirror reaction. It might be the MU, it might be another universe (e. g. a third one beyond the Prime and the Mirror). Or it could be a time delay. Isn't the next episode Lethe? That would, I think, point toward a kind of limbo.
The mirror scene is also yet another reference to Alice in Wonderland/Through the Looking Glass. I think in every episode there is going to be some sort of a reference.
Also - because I really need to start working so I gotta go - I loved the warping tardigrade! Zooming through the universe and making little mushroom friends (or snacks) everywhere he goes.
It's sad from the point of view of the enormous cost which ultimately amounted to nothing. It's sad that the ships and production facilities were left to rot instead of preserved.
My take on the final mirror scene with Stammets is that he has split personality disorder, probably induced from injecting himself with the tardigrade DNA and being used in the spore drive. His last words were "I am fine". I think Stammets knows that the spore drive has done something to his mind and he is lying to his partner about it.
1. Gabe must have taken out the opposing Klingon ship when he selfdistructed his own vessel, or there is very little likelihood of his escape... Also hasn't Lorca seen Star Wars A New Hope? Four skimmers were chasing him, instead of a battle cruiser which can strike true with deathrays on targets 40 thousand kilometres away.
2. Kirk ripped off this move from Lorca in TWOK, which means that the Klingons are at at least a fooled me twice point in their relationship with humanity. Did Kirk steal all his moves from Lorca?
"I feel okay."
I'm wondering if it will actually be time-screw up related as opposed to evil dupe or split. I only say that because both Stamets do the same thing, just at different times. It's the music that makes Stamets2 seem sinister.
you mean killing the character CBS made such a point to mention was the first minority woman leading a star trek cast?
not a chance
Wesley didnt have this paranoid look on his face.. Tilly annoys me and scares me at the same time. Yeah, she is scary. I just realized!
It made me think of the story David Gerrold wrote for TOS, "The Protracted Man". It was about a crew member who, through some sort of Engineering accident, ends up spilt into three parts: one a little into the future, one in the present time and one a little in the past. They turned it down because the visuals to do it would have been too expensive at that point in time.
Klingons Speaking English!
Michael is a fine enough character, it's just that she can't carry things on her own. She's clearly playing Spock with some more vulnerability but Spock needs someone to play off against.
I liked the episode, the inexplicably unidentifiable D-7 really bothered me. Took me right out of the narrative. For that, it only gets a 7.
I'm really enjoying the narrative, so far, but the constant design changes for no apparent reason are really weighing on me. I want to get passed it, but every time I see one, I can't not notice it. It's distracting; I think mostly because the production people keep insisting that this all still somehow in the Prime universe and adheres to canon. I said it in another thread, so forgive me for repeating myself, but I get the distinct impression that the people making Discovery are gaslighting the fan base.
I'm really enjoying the narrative, so far, but the constant design changes for no apparent reason are really weighing on me. I want to get passed it, but every time I see one, I can't not notice it. It's distracting; I think mostly because the production people keep insisting that this all still somehow in the Prime universe and adheres to canon. I said it in another thread, so forgive me for repeating myself, but I get the distinct impression that the people making Discovery are gaslighting the fan base.
I was paraphrasing. But I do think that whatever happened to Stamets will further explain why the spore drive will be abandoned before TOS. A propulsion system that requires you to plug in a sentient being and severely damage them in some way, is not a viable system for Starfleet.
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