"Choose Your Pain" Klingon ship (Visual spoilers?)
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We saw exactly one Klingon ship design in TOS. Is the whole empire limited to what was seen in screen in a handful of episodes of TOS?
Axanar ships ARE Kelvin ships. They're all plucked from the background Vulcan fleet from ST'09.
Not me. True to Trek is in the storytelling first. Design second (or third, or fourth).This, by the way, is literally the point at which everyone starts looking back at the Kelvin movies as being "true to Trek", just like they changed their tune regarding Enterprise in 2009
You can say that the "Klingon Warbirds" follow the design lineage, but you can't really say it about their bird of prey or things like shuttle bays looking like 20th Century hangers and beer factory engineering.
JJ Trek remains for me what Dr Who and the Daleks with Peter Cushing is to Doctor Who canon.
That's fine. Just don't call them Birds of Prey or D7s.
Except none of them are still in production..........
I wouldn't, since they're made by totally different creative teams.
The problem as I see it is that people are looking at what came before Discovery and after Discovery and they are seeing a gradual progress, with one or two hiccups, of Klingon design. These new models throw a wrench into the works. It's not clear how they evolved from the designs seen in Enterprise and it's not clear how they evolved into the designs we see in TOS, TNG, and DS9. Even the Kelvin universe acknowledges the evolution with the ships seen in the first movie. The D-4 seen in the second movie is acceptable, for it's a new design. It would have been wonderful if they gave this new battlecruiser a class name that was something different than a class name already associated with a known model. How do we reconcile this D-7 with the classic Trek D-7?
Isn't Axanar supposedly still being made by Alec "Flim Flam" Peters?
Well he is raising money on the sly with open house tours of his GA warehouse/studio for a small fee and getting sponsors.........but little actual work is being done it seems. Coming up quickly on a year since it was settled and he's only managed to vacate LA.
That must be a riveting tour.
You don't. It's a deliberate visual retcon, like everything in Discovery is. They've said all along that they're re-imagining Star Trek.
You might as well try and figure out how Ben Affleck's Batmobile fits into the chronology of the Adam West Batman show.
Just wait until you see the Constitiution-class
Dude I would love to see how they update the design
No, hell no. That one is owned by paramount
I hear that a lot of coffee gets served to the tourists.
This, by the way, is literally the point at which everyone starts looking back at the Kelvin movies as being "true to Trek", just like they changed their tune regarding Enterprise in 2009
Eh. The problem with the JJverse movies was always the storytelling, how they completely messed up the characterization of iconic characters (dude-bro Kirk, always-angry-screaming Spock), and their multiple universe-breaking errors ("Beaming" to Kronos? Why have starships anymore? "Superblood" that reanimates the dead? WTF?), as well as being just plain lazy in their plot points (NOBODY sees two Federation starships shooting at each other in Earth orbit?) and not even being in continuity with themselves (earlier in Into Darkness, Kirk calls Scotty on a phone during a stealth mission in klingon territory. But once the evil black starship arrives, suddenly everyone forgets they could just call Earth, and all problems would be solved...)
The design language, all the production values, the colours, how everything looked, and hell, even the general tone, the optimism, and the dialogue, the friendship between the characters, the snark, the little jokes between serious moments, hell, even the characterisation of many characters (Bones), and especially almost all character interactions, all those were pretty spot-on. Those aren't bad movies. Those are very well directed movies, built around really fucking awful scripts.
So far, DIS is exactly the other way 'round. The words on the pages are much better than what ends up on screen.
It was all so dark I couldn't tell much about the things except that they were green.
The outer space effects on this show are only occasionally good. The rendering itself is often pretty basic - nothing like the high quality of the current Trek movies, of course - so the darkness probably helps sell that.
The outer space effects on this show are only occasionally good. The rendering itself is often pretty basic - nothing like the high quality of the current Trek movies, of course - so the darkness probably helps sell that.
The name dropping of the D-7 to a wholly unidentifiable ship really bothered me, too. Took me right out of the episode. With the producers' constant insistence that this is, in fact, the Prime timeline, I really wish they had just called it a "battle cruiser" or some other, less specific thing.
Really, it's not that changes that bother me; it's the constant and apparently disingenuous pronouncements and declarations by the production staff that all these changes are somehow consistent with canon that really piss me off. I feel like I'm being lied to again, like with the adamance that John Harrison wasn't Khan.
I can handle the changes; just don't make them and tell me everything is still the same.
It's really starting to feel like they're just gaslighting us.
Really, it's not that changes that bother me; it's the constant and apparently disingenuous pronouncements and declarations by the production staff that all these changes are somehow consistent with canon that really piss me off. I feel like I'm being lied to again, like with the adamance that John Harrison wasn't Khan.
I can handle the changes; just don't make them and tell me everything is still the same.
It's really starting to feel like they're just gaslighting us.
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