"Choose Your Pain" Klingon ship (Visual spoilers?)
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Oh come on.
I could live with the star fleet changes, and the other Klingon changes.
But not this. This isn’t remotely prime.
Though it is worth it to note, that this raider design was in the same concept art leak as the sarcophagus ship, last year, or when ever it was. I have a feeling it was meant to be paired with that ship.
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To be fair re B-17s, most fighters they faced were Messerschmitts (109, 110, 210, 410, 262 and even rocket powered 163 was a Messerschmitt) or Fockewulfs (all the different 190 versions)
PIlots could identify what aircraft they were facing. They were given books which showed orthographic views of enemy aircraft. Confusion arose when one aircraft type was similar to another. This happen more frequently with the Japanese aircraft.
Like I was saying in the other thread, this is way too close of a shot. We need wider shots. Make the ships smaller or something.
Yeah, I too have a big issue with the Shuttle computer identifying that ship as a 'Klingon D-7 Class'. I don't care what hand waving they do here - the producers seem to want this to be a full universe reboot; regardless of all the 'Trust us, irt'll all work out in the end canon wise.'
I still like the story and the show and it's not a deal-breaker; but intentionally screwing TOS fans who like the original hip designs just to maybe get a 'WTF?' moment - just stop. I get the set design elements and the Discovery and other ships we've never seen before, ok.
But the D-7 is an iconic ship design. If Starfleet 'updates' its classification at the end of this series, that just a big cop out for zero real reason other that"Hey, lets really screw with hardcore TOS fans just for the fun of it..."; and that sucks.
I still like the story and the show and it's not a deal-breaker; but intentionally screwing TOS fans who like the original hip designs just to maybe get a 'WTF?' moment - just stop. I get the set design elements and the Discovery and other ships we've never seen before, ok.
But the D-7 is an iconic ship design. If Starfleet 'updates' its classification at the end of this series, that just a big cop out for zero real reason other that"Hey, lets really screw with hardcore TOS fans just for the fun of it..."; and that sucks.
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Yeah. Different for the sake of just being different is often the excuse of both the lazy and the inconsiderate. Just because you can doesn't always mean you should. The JJ films proved you could tweak and slightly upgrade the Klingon aesthetic and still keep the basic Prime timeline feel and shapes of ships, weapons and body armor. The D7 battle cruiser in the Kelvin timeline is largely identical to the D7s and K't'ingas we've seen in other parts of the franchise. This thing is...well, it's sure as heck not a D7 battle cruiser.
That’s a Klingon D-7 Class? 
And this show is set in the Prime timeline and is not a reboot?
And this show is set in the Prime timeline and is not a reboot?
Reimagining™That’s a Klingon D-7 Class?
And this show is set in the Prime timeline and is not a reboot?
I don't even mind the raider pods. We were once told that Klingon ships don't come equipped with escape pods for their crews and then in "Bounty(ENT)" we see a Klingon vessel equipped with them so the creators are frequently introducing new weapons and equipment that we just have to assume were always there or were misidentified by Earth or the Federation in-universe. The raiders are fine since we never saw such craft in any other chapter of the franchise to which we could compare them for analysis. For all we know this kind of like the Scorpion-class attack craft in Nemesis that were seen just once but clearly hinted that the Remans and possibly Romulans themselves employed similar two-person attack vehicles that we just never saw before.
The raiders are fine. Let 'em slide.
The raiders are fine. Let 'em slide.
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If they, who gets to pick what is and is not prime, say its prime. Then it is prime. We can like it or dislike it, but that does not change it.
The Maquis had raiders. So did the Bajoran resistance during the occupation. Then there are the Scorpion-class attack craft that Shinzon and the Remans keep stored aboard the Scimitar. This won't be the first small attack craft or fighter in the Trek universe by a longshot.
I agree, I was simply saying that is likely what they are. Fighter craft make sense in Star trek as they are cheap and a swarm of them could take down a massive target such as a ship.
I agree with this in general... but I'm not sure about where to place the blame. Saying "the producers" are responsible is too broad (not least because there are a lot of them, and it's not clear who has what level of control over what kind of decisions, not to mention that that control has shifted over the show's development history).
I've gotten the repeated impression so far that the show as written is intended to be consistent with the prime/TOS timeline... and indeed, throwing in a reference to a "D7 class" Klingon ship is the sort of thing that, if we were to read it in a script or a novel, would seem an obvious nod to what has gone before. The thing is, it seems that the design staff (or someone on it; again, it involves multiple people) doesn't necessarily share the writers' intent, and had little or not interest in what has gone before.
Long story short, different creative personnel on this show appear to be working at cross purposes with one another.
Just wait until you see the Constitiution-class 
It annoys me that they go to the trouble of using the Klingon language, references, logo and sound effects and then liberally throw the rest out of the window. They brought in John Eaves to keep the Starfleet ship design lineage. But clearly whoever is designing the Klingon ships is not a fan of past Trek and so these abominations have no Klingon design lineage and just look like generic trash lifted from a random sci-fi movie. When I heard D7 and saw it was some dodgy mini Star Destroyer it really irked me. I get the feeling that the script writer intended a version of the D7 and then was overruled with this trash.Don't even get me started on those. In what universe is THIS a Klingon ship:
The show is good, but is there is one area that needs distinct improvement it is the look and style of much of the Klingon stuff. Sorry Discovery makers, but this is one area in which you have changed too much. Start giving us more links to Klingon lineage and past Trek and you can overcome this problem. When it comes to the Klingons they have almost as much history in the franchise as Starfleet. That needs to be respected just a little bit more than it has been so far. Remember when they tried to screw with the Daleks on Doctor Who and went one step too far? Same thing. Still time to rescue it though.
This, by the way, is literally the point at which everyone starts looking back at the Kelvin movies as being "true to Trek", just like they changed their tune regarding Enterprise in 2009
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