Discovery and "The Orville" Comparisons
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I'll have to give The Orville another shot. I only saw the first act when trying out a new smart TV, wasn't given much of an impression aside from the fact that it's successfully aping TNG 90s Trek, which was cute.
It really is a lot of fun. I don't get the whole "feels like Star Trek" beyond surface level trappings. The characters have a far different feel, and the world building is unique enough to keep me invested.
Yeah, there is a reason why I didn't watch TNG until the finale.
Last two episodes have been hilarious.
Though I think Orville V Discovery is a silly comparison, I do like this thread cause it gives an opportunity to talk about Orville,
and it's seriously funny.
I get the comparison, because it's intentionally riffing old school Trek enough that it feels safe and familiar for those who really want that as Trek for today, rather than what Discovery is forging for itself. It's kind of interesting.
But yeah, I don't take the versus too seriously. Galaxy Quest was a lot of fun, but I view that as a compliment to Trek rather than competition. The Orville seems to be the same deal.
But yeah, I don't take the versus too seriously. Galaxy Quest was a lot of fun, but I view that as a compliment to Trek rather than competition. The Orville seems to be the same deal.
I get the comparison to one surface level point but beyond that, Orville is a series of self contained episodes with one underlying story that gets touched on every 4 or 5. More like X-Files or How I Met Your Mother or DS9.
Discovery is one serialized story, Much more like Netflix's Marvel shows.
The argument that all first seasons were as bad as STDs is fallacious.
Enterprise:
Broken Bow = 2/10
Fight or Flight = 6.5/10
Strange New World = 5/10
Unexpected = 7.5/10
STD:
Vulcan Hello = 2/10
Battle at the Binary Stars = 1/10
Context is for Kings = 3/10
The Butcher's Knife Cares Not for the Lamb's Cry = 3.5/10
That's a difference of 21 vs 9.5 points, in favor of the Enterprise. Granted, these are my subjective ratings, but they're also the only ones that matter
Enterprise:
Broken Bow = 2/10
Fight or Flight = 6.5/10
Strange New World = 5/10
Unexpected = 7.5/10
STD:
Vulcan Hello = 2/10
Battle at the Binary Stars = 1/10
Context is for Kings = 3/10
The Butcher's Knife Cares Not for the Lamb's Cry = 3.5/10
That's a difference of 21 vs 9.5 points, in favor of the Enterprise. Granted, these are my subjective ratings, but they're also the only ones that matter
Exactly.
The argument that all first seasons were as bad as STDs is fallacious.
Enterprise:
Broken Bow = 2/10
Fight or Flight = 6.5/10
Strange New World = 5/10
Unexpected = 7.5/10
STD:
Vulcan Hello = 2/10
Battle at the Binary Stars = 1/10
Context is for Kings = 3/10
The Butcher's Knife Cares Not for the Lamb's Cry = 3.5/10
That's a difference of 21 vs 9.5 points, in favor of the Enterprise. Granted, these are my subjective ratings, but they're also the only ones that matter
"Strange New World" gets a 1 just for the teaser alone depicting Archer and his crew as the dumbest set of people I've ever seen.
Only Landry outshines them in stupidity.
Only Landry outshines them in stupidity.
The Krill are a rather one dimensional stereotype of terrorists.
I think they serve their purpose for the comedy,
Did you watch last night's? I liked that they had the Orville guys breaking bread with the Krill woman. Their beliefs seem more fleshed out to me than the Klingon's nebulous concerns about racial purity or something.
I did, they were surface level stereotypes, easy to identify and some pretty typical plot devices for an easy storytelling.
I don't happen to find the Klingons all that interesting either, I don't particularly find the Krill interesting, so far both just seem like excuses for each show to do their thing, one tell individually contained adventure comedies, one to tell a drawn out, adventure / borderline space opera.
In DSC, the Krill woman would be breaking bread to eat as a side for the Orville guys!
As for villains, I'm watching the Krill with more interest than the Klingons in DSC. I really feel that there could be better writing for the Klingons.
DISCLAIMER: I've not seen Orville beyond the pilot.
But, how "fleshed out" are real life Americans concerns about racial purity? Why are we holding the beliefs of characters in fiction to a higher standard than than the marching skinheads who showed up by the thousand in Lawrenceville awhile ago?
I don't quite think I follow ya, but I'd like to.
How is it you're perceiving that we are holding fictional characters to the higher standard than Cletus and his merry band of skinheads?
Was it established that there was any sort of mixing, or even interaction, going on between Klingons and non-Klingons, other than warfare? I still don't get what they're so worried about. The possibility, I suppose, but that seems like thin gruel for a warrior race typically bent on conquest. Would make more sense in the era of Worf and co.
Merry band of skinheads = want racial purity because reasons.
Klingons = want racial purity because reasons.
It's a sad fact of real life. Just because the Krill's conflicting beliefs (which again, I know nothing about since I've only seen the pilot until FOX UK bother to show it) make more sense to us than the Klingons', it doesn't make them more believable villains.
But again, I've not seen it so I'm probably totally getting the wrong end of the stick and should probably STFU.
Yeah, it was rather on-the-nose. The head business, in particular, made me uncomfortable. But I now understand them and their motivations better than the Discovery Klingons, even though Discovery is supposedly intent on showing me the Klingons' viewpoint.
I think it's a function of the storytelling.
Discovery is trying to tell us that story over a longer series of episodes, so that's how it will be delivered. But I don't think in either show that we're holding them to higher standards than our real life ones. In real life, these people are a part of our society and their rights to express their views is protected, at least in the USA by our constitution, but they are held to strict laws about actual crimes.
Neither the Krill nor Klingons are a part of the Union or Federation society,
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