Are you feeling the scope of the war?

[jamestyler]

Not broadcast.

I do think the show is building up to a number of things, though, with my suspicion being the season will end with Lorca planning some sort of genocidal or evil plan which Burnham stops and that propels her to the captaincy as she shows the Discovery should be about science and PEACE not war.

It's basically the "Knightfall" and "Reign of Superman" plot where you introduce what Batman and Superman AREN'T so you can show you what they ARE.

I'm running on a similar theory - Stamets is already cracking, Burnham is observing and Saru is sure to break at some stage. Got a weird feeling the show ends as it starts; another mutiny.

As for the war... we've not seen much of it, just the tension the crews been placed under. Which is quite fun. the entire perspective seems to be a civil war on Discovery between soldiers and explorers. They're essentially televising a debate seen on this board multiple times!

 

[Noname Given]

Awesome. Just what I watch Star Trek for!

I guess you disliked:

TOS - "Where No Man has Gone Before" (Kirk forced to kill a comrade; and a promising doctor dies saving him.)

TOS - "The Corbomite Maneuver" (Ship exposed to dangerous radiation and threatened with destruction as a test. I'm sure it was fun for the crew)

TOS - "The Man Trap" (3 crewmen killed and an intelligent lifeform that's the last of its species killed.)

TOS - "Charlie X" - A Federation Cargo ship (The S.S. Antares) completely destroyed by an adolescent super being; all hands lost.

TOS - "The Enemy Within" - Yeoman Rand suffers an attempted rape, which Spock jokes about with her at the end of the episode.

TOS - "The Naked Time" - All members of a research post driven insane and as a result they all die (Same nearly happens on the 1701)

TOS - "The Menagerie" - Hey, Starfleet officer betrays current Captain and commits mutiny to 'save' former Captain (who BTW was effectively screaming "No!" about it for hours once Spock informed him of the plan.)

TOS - "Conscience of the King" - Kirk jeopardizes his own career after a longtime friend is murdered because said friend believes he has located a wanted criminal (and along with Kirk is one of three remaining witnesses who lived through said massacre.) Although to be fair, Kodos was right in that had the transports not arrived early the Federation might have viewed teh situation differently. But still doesn't excuse the actions of psychopathic 'Daddy's girl'.

TOS - "Balance of Terror" - Sitaution that could have possibly lead to another full scale war. Four Earth outposts and their crews killed. 1701 damaged, numerous injuries and one outright death (a man killed on his wedding day, and his Bride left to live with that fact while still in Star Fleet service.)

TOS - "Arena" - Yet another situation that could have led to all out war. [Oh, and the Gorn IGNORE a plea to allow the Colony to surrender and AFTER wiping out a the colony outpost gained enough info to lure the 1701 INTRO a set up trap (presumably a assessment of Federation military capability) with a PERSONAL and 100% faked message to Captain Kirk. (Funny that they kind of gloss over that when Kirk decides "maybe they were just defending themselves..."; and McCoy mentions "we could be in the wrong..." <-- Yes, maybe if they just wiped out the Colony one could suppose that it was done as a warning, but again, it appears the Gorn had studied the Colony (came in on a normal approach route); and probably understood what the colonists were saying and doing there; but killed them all anyway, and further set a out and out trap to lure another Federation ship there.

TOS - "Errand of Mercy" - The (now because we know the situation in ST: D) SECOND all out Klingon/Federation War -- only stopped because this time some Godlike beings decide they are going to put a complete stop to it themselves.
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Sorry to say, given the above; and you're statement; I'd like to know exactly what DID attract you to Star Trek; because the original show (and 23rd century era) was anything but 'Enlightened Humanity peacefully exploring and making peaceful contact wherever they go..." <--- But that is teh era ST: D is set in.

 

[BillJ]

Sorry to say, given the above; and you're statement; I'd like to know exactly what DID attract you to Star Trek; because the original show (and 23rd century era) was anything but 'Enlightened Humanity peacefully exploring and making peaceful contact wherever they go...

When I watched the original, I saw people I wanted to be like. So much of this simply comes down to the likability of the characters. I feel like I'm watching Battlestar (2004) now.

When I watch Star Trek, I want to like the characters.

 

[KirkusOveractus]

I'm running on a similar theory - Stamets is already cracking, Burnham is observing and Saru is sure to break at some stage. Got a weird feeling the show ends as it starts; another mutiny.

As for the war... we've not seen much of it, just the tension the crews been placed under. Which is quite fun. the entire perspective seems to be a civil war on Discovery between soldiers and explorers. They're essentially televising a debate seen on this board multiple times!

I see where you're going with this, but I propose one difference: Saru said he will do better protecting his Captain than Burnham did to Georgiou.

I think Saru dies trying to stop a mutiny against Lorca.

 

[Mad Jack Wolfe]

Lorca will avoid the mutineers by throwing a saddle on Ripper the Space Tardigrade and riding off into the mushroom sunset.

It's as good a theory as any at this point.

 

[KirkusOveractus]

Lorca will avoid the mutineers by throwing a saddle on Ripper the Space Tardigrade and riding off into the mushroom sunset.

It's as good a theory as any at this point.

Make it a mushroom cloud and you have a deal!

 

[jamestyler]

I see where you're going with this, but I propose one difference: Saru said he will do better protecting his Captain than Burnham did to Georgiou.

I think Saru dies trying to stop a mutiny against Lorca.

That'd be an interesting turn! Though I'd like to see Lorca help Saru come into his own. right now he seems to be the designated yes man.

 

[SJA]

That'd be an interesting turn! Though I'd like to see Lorca help Saru come into his own. right now he seems to be the designated yes man.

The way it's going the bloody Tribble will be the only one left alive to run the ship!

 

[Noname Given]

That'd be an interesting turn! Though I'd like to see Lorca help Saru come into his own. right now he seems to be the designated yes man.

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And that's WHY Lorca made him his Exec. <--- Lorca knows Saru won't really challenge him; OR can be easily made to back down, allowing Lorca more free reign to do as he pleases. Plus, even IF Command realizes this Saru is a 'War Hero' - so it might look bad PR wise to have him re-assigned during the war.

 

[Mudd]

I dunno...

Never mind the hows and whys of the Klingons going to war with the Federation, which make sense only on a comic book level...

I gather that Corvan is some tremendous strategic asset - it's responsible for some huge percentage of dilithium production?

So, of course Starfleet has not protected it in any way? I mean, a few Klingon ships just pop out of space and then Command notices "oh, yeah, a lot of our most critical resource is out there, maybe we should have posted a guard or something."

It's not like the Klingons are capable of planning a military campaign, after all, or have assaulted the planet with a force significant to overcome organized military defenses.

No, they've sent a couple of swoopy things with wings that drop bombs and can be completely overcome by a single ship - and not one designed for heavy combat - dropping a few depth charges in their midst and detonating them. Boom!

This makes sense, as warfare, to...whom? It's more lazy idiot plotting.

That's the great thing about writing skiffy war, I guess - they figure the audience just gets so excited about spaceships and explosions and ray guns that they never ask what the fuck is going on. Even NCIS gets more shit right about their fantasy military stuff - national security, counterterrorism and intelligence operations - and they're sure as fuck not trying very hard.

 

[BillJ]

So, of course Starfleet has not protected it in any way? I mean, a few Klingon ships just pop out of space and then Command notices "oh, yeah, a lot of our most critical resource is out there, maybe we should have posted a guard or something."

Apparently, there is a line in there somewhere about the Klingons taking out whatever Starfleet forces were in the area. I didn't hear it either, but it seems many folks did.

I just like how Discovery shows up and takes the Klingons out with one shot. I do wonder why all three ships decided on a collision course with Discovery? Which is the only way Lorca's plan would work.

 

[jamestyler]

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And that's WHY Lorca made him his Exec. <--- Lorca knows Saru won't really challenge him; OR can be easily made to back down, allowing Lorca more free reign to do as he pleases. Plus, even IF Command realizes this Saru is a 'War Hero' - so it might look bad PR wise to have him re-assigned during the war.

Oh indeed! But from a dramatic standpoint thats where I can see Saru playing a nice part - eventually he's surely got to object or refuse an order. At the very least struggle with it, if not switch loyalties - the seeds of him being unhappy in the position have been sewn, so I'd hope it comes.

 

[Kemaiku]

So, of course Starfleet has not protected it in any way? I mean, a few Klingon ships just pop out of space and then Command notices "oh, yeah, a lot of our most critical resource is out there, maybe we should have posted a guard or something."

Voyager even had Excelsior class ships prowling around any random asteroid that had scraps of dilithium incase anyone tried to steal it.

Voyager.

 

[Noname Given]

Apparently, there is a line in there somewhere about the Klingons taking out whatever Starfleet forces were in the area. I didn't hear it either, but it seems many folks did.

I just like how Discovery shows up and takes the Klingons out with one shot. I do wonder why all three ships decided on a collision course with Discovery? Which is the only way Lorca's plan would work.

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Thwy weren't on any Collision course; Lorca waited until they were all within 500 KM. Why they needed to close to such a range is as questionable as when 'needs of the plot' stuff happens in any Star Trek story. (IMO - I find it ridiculous too, but they were closing a circle; not coming anywhere near colliding.)

 

[Mudd]

Apparently, there is a line in there somewhere about the Klingons taking out whatever Starfleet forces were in the area. I didn't hear it either, but it seems many folks did.

I just like how Discovery shows up and takes the Klingons out with one shot. I do wonder why all three ships decided on a collision course with Discovery? Which is the only way Lorca's plan would work.

If the Klingon forces that Discovery dispatched with a single "BOOM!" were sufficient to overcome whatever Starfleet forces were protecting one of their most important supply lines, then no magic that Lorca can conjure out of his menagerie will be sufficient to win the war.

I mean, this is just a "let's play guns!" kind of portrayal of warfare.

 

[Tesophius]

The battle scene was inspired by another great Trek motion picture: Galaxy Quest

 

[KirkusOveractus]

If the Klingon forces that Discovery dispatched with a single "BOOM!" were sufficient to overcome whatever Starfleet forces were protecting one of their most important supply lines, then no magic that Lorca can conjure out of his menagerie will be sufficient to win the war.

I mean, this is just a "let's play guns!" kind of portrayal of warfare.

It was a cool segment to show how Discovery could defend, as well as show off some of the visual effects, but again doesn't bear up to scrutiny.

A well-armed vessel could have taken those Klingon ships out easily.

Again, I ask: Where. The. Hell. Are. The. Heavy. Cruisers?!?!?!?!? If they're waiting for this big dramatic reveal for a fanwank, then it's stupid writing.

 

[Noname Given]

It was a cool segment to show how Discovery could defend, as well as show off some of the visual effects, but again doesn't bear up to scrutiny.

A well-armed vessel could have taken those Klingon ships out easily.

Again, I ask: Where. The. Hell. Are. The. Heavy. Cruisers?!?!?!?!? If they're waiting for this big dramatic reveal for a fanwank, then it's stupid writing.

They were 80+ hours away. That said, I agree that if the Klingons broke though an Armada blockade - you'd think they'd have more ships attacking then what we saw the Discovery blow up in the final sequence.

 

[BillJ]

They ere 80+ hours away.

I think they should've had one of their big boys there defending their primary Dilithium facility.

 

[Noname Given]

I think they should've had one of their big boys there defending their primary Dilithium facility.

They did. They were probably part of the Fleet that was wiped out. The Federation had defenses there. Those defenses were disabled/destroyed.