I really wish they would lean less on trivia and do their own thing.
I think we just need to accept the fact that this is a full reboot.
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I really wish they would lean less on trivia and do their own thing.
Me too. I hate the connect-the-dots crap. Makes the universe feel small and fanwanky.
The more they try to connect-the-dots, the less it feels like it lines up with other shows. At least for me.
Some connect-the-dots is fine but one of TNG's strengths was that it only rarely and only within the context of a story referenced TOS and Kirk's crew. That way when a Spock or a Scotty showed up it was a genuine delight to see them since they'd only rarely been referred to in previous episodes if they were even mentioned at all.
DS9 was also much better once they stopped trying to drag elements of TNG (Q, the Duras Sisters, Lwaxanna Troi) into the show that just didn't work as well. Of course, large portions of TNG's canon was mined for DS9 (O'Brien, ultimately Worf, Bajorans (and the occupation), Cardassians, the whole friggin Klingon culture - done better on DS9, the Maquis, etc. The key was they weren't trying to sell sequels to TNG episodes, but their own stories within the foundation that was already built.
Of course it is. The same way every Trek show was it's own thing and built it's version of future from it's present.
It's like how any of the DC shows and movies will namedrop a character or location or something we all know is in Clark Kent or Bruce Wayne or whoever's past or future. We know what they're hinting at, but we also know it's not going to go down quite the same way as in the comics or earlier movies.
Unless anyone out there really thinks in 9 and a half years, the same Starfleet that gave us the USS Shenzhou and Discovery will have women in miniskirts being held by their captain on the bridge during a crisis?
I expect they will need to bridge that cap, as they will change uniforms to match TOS otherwise it will not be canon anymore. But it is 9.5 years in the future so it may take a while.
I can reword that and make it just as valid of a statement:
TNG may make reference to TOS and other bits of "canon," either this timeline or that timeline. But despite the producers insistence that the show is 80+ years after TOS, the show is its own thing. Reboot, reimagining, or whatever.
Or even...
TMP may make reference to TOS and other bits of "canon," either this timeline or that timeline. But despite the producers insistence that the show is 5+ years after TOS, the show is its own thing. Reboot, reimagining, or whatever.
Granted, TMP used the same actors as TOS, so it got that going for it when it comes to the "direct sequel" argument. However, so much more of TMP looked and felt so much different than the "5 years or so after" time frame should account for. TMP could easliy be considered a reboot given the definition of that word used by many people.
TNG also used the same TOS actors in the same roles. Neither TNG nor TMP is a reboot.
Then it could be argued that neither is DSC a story reboot (ignoring the "using same actors" issue, since I think it's not relevant).
Maybe it's a visual reboot, similar to the way TMP was a visual reboot, but so far DSC's story could be taking place in the TOS story universe, just like TMP took place in the TOS story universe despite TMP's change in visuals.
Just overlook that 10 years before STOS we have instantaneous mind melding capabilities with humans. Improbability drive with giant alien pacifist armored creatures. Albino Klingons with coffin encrusted space ships. HELP ME UNDERSTAND this new star trek reality, or give me so shrooms to follow this reincarnation of star trek.
Ha! You nailed it with the Infinite Improbability drive! Lorca is really in command of the USS Heart of Gold.
Non canon and this is the kinda uniform porn he does all the time. He will likely let you know which women are bucking the regs to wear pants and how good each look in whatever uniform they are wearing. Its the one thing in his novels that drive me nuts.
Face it guys, the DSC uniforms are fleet wide and have been for at lest 7 years. They are not gonna switch to Fall casual uniforms.
If you read a book would you expect absolutely everything to be explained in the first two chapters?
The way I view it is that it's a visual reboot. It will conform to the mythology laid out in Prime timeline, but it's not going to Be faithful to the 1960s aesthetics. I mean, just because it looks more advanced than TOS doesn't necessarily mean it's more advanced. ENT looked more advanced but that wasn't an issue.
Until they do something more drastic like killing Spock, I'm not calling this a full reboot.
Until they do something more drastic like killing Spock, I'm not calling this a full reboot.
WWIII was mid 21st Century, Khan was Eugenics wars, which Greg Cox's books greatly turn into an X Files conspiracy which explains them.
Pretty sure DS9 brought this up again to stop the Changeling Bashir
Although the difference is bigger, it's not like we havent seen different uniforms at the same time before, like TNG and DS9. Even Generations had the same crew wearing different uniforms...
I have a feeling side effects of the "improbability drive" will result in its disuse (such as what happened with the transwarp drive).
As for the Klingons, I think we will find these Klingons to be a different sect than the Klingons we have already seen in TOS, TMP, TNG, etc....Besides, this wouldn't be the first time the look of Klingons were totally changed without explanation, as with TMP (well, an explanation did come 25 years later in the real world).
As far as the inconsistency with mind-melding goes, has there EVER been consistency with mind-melding? TNG was even terribly inconsistent with Troi's abilities. She started off being able to read thoughts (as if she were conversing through thought), but that ability seemed to later disappear without explanation.
