What would you think if the Borg showed up on this?

[Agony_Boothb]

After Scorpion and First Contact, The Borg became little more than a plot device for writers who had run out of ideas. The last straw for me was when Voyager engaged a Super-duper Mary Sue Cube in battle by itself and didn't get blown up in 5 seconds. Regeneration was awful and unnecessary. If the Borg popped up in Season 2 it would have to be a pretty compelling storyline for me to stick around. I think the universe is too big for the writers to even consider the Borg. We're getting lots of mentions of Andorians and Tellarites so I think once the Klingon War is done, we're hopefully going to see a focus on federation members other than the Vulcans.

 

[Prax]

I disagree. Enterprise was conceived as a sequel/follow up to First Contact. People who say the Borg became watered down should be pleased with this episode, they are "unstoppable" and relentless again, and they capitalize on the Borg-force multiplier/zombie aspect again, like they did in First Contact.

And saying the Borg became just a plot device is like saying the Klingons on DS9 became just a plot device. It's really the other way around. The Borg began as just a plot device, literally, and eventually became villains.

 

[JediMindMeld]

Man, the borg were such a great idea. You understand why Star Trek used them as much as it did. They nearly always contributed with good stuff. Best Of Both Worlds was peak Star Trek. I, Borg is arguably one of the top 10 TNG episodes. First Contact is the only non-TOS Trek film that can measure up to the early ones. Seven of Nine ended up being the best thing about Voyager. And so forth.

All that being said, most things have a shelf date. I'd rather Discovery moved forward with their own ideas and concepts as much as possible. It would be so boring if all they did was to repeat the old stuff. I need to feel the thrill of something new. Something exciting. The borg is definitely not that.

 

[GeekUSACarl]

i think the borg were well below %50 contributing good content to trek as a whole.

 

[Blamo]

Hell I wouldn't want to see the Borg in the TNG era. Well, except to see them get utterly destroyed (or better yet have the Borg freed).

They started off as an interesting and rather terrifying threat. They were a bit like the Cthulhu of the Star Trek universe, especially in Q Who. Best of Both Worlds made them slightly less so (only slightly) and by the end of Voyager they had become boring cyborg zombies with a megalomaniac leader.

The problem began when TNG etc tried to make the Borg into the next Klingons. A villain race. Q Who and BOBW Borg weren't that, they were essentially a big scary space monster.

They were more Doomsday-Machine/Crystalline-Entity than Dominion/TOS-Klingons/Cardassians/Romulans.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

I'm not in favor of a Borg appearance since I'd rather see them do something new, but it would be incredibly easy to justify the Borg showing up within the established framework of the show so far.

They have a ship with an experimental drive system that can take them anywhere in the galaxy in a matter of seconds, so why not have the Discovery jump into the middle of Borg Space during a test and attract the attention of the Collective, which wants to assimilate this new bio-mechanical hybrid drive technology?

The Discovery will have to make their escape by jumping to multiple systems to try and get the Borg off their tail so they can't track them back to Federation space.

Given the already secretive nature of the Discovery's mission, their logs of the Borg encounter are classified and added to the same secret Starfleet Intelligence database that includes the testimony of Zefram Cochrane and Lily Sloane, the encounter between the Borg and the NX-01, the reports of the El-Aurian refugees picked up by the Enterprise-B in 2293, and whatever other information was available that caused the admiralty to dispatch the Hansen's on a surprisingly well-informed mission to track the Borg long before the Enterprise-D first encountered them in Q-Who?

There's even "proof" of a sort that Starfleet had an established classified Borg Database before then:


http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Starfleet_database

Look at the stardate listed. It's the same as the stardate Sulu gives in ST:VI, set in 2293 (but before the El-Aurian arrival and the retirement of the Enterprise-A).

"Stardate 9521.6, Captain's log, USS Excelsior, Hikaru Sulu commanding. After three years, I have concluded my first assignment as master of this vessel, cataloging gaseous planetary anomalies in Beta Quadrant. We're heading home under full impulse power. I'm pleased to report that ship and crew have functioned well."

http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Trek_VI:_The_Undiscovered_Country

Starfleet was up to some shenanigans.

 

[Tyrion]

I don't want a full borg episode like in ENT. But a small cameo appearance wouldn't necessarly violate canon, as long as the crew doesn't find out what they're called. With the spore drive the Discovery could easely travel to borg space.

 

[Tesophius]

Ugh, please no, just no.

 

[Prax]

I'm not in favor of a Borg appearance since I'd rather see them do something new, but it would be incredibly easy to justify the Borg showing up within the established framework of the show so far.

They have a ship with an experimental drive system that can take them anywhere in the galaxy in a matter of seconds, so why not have the Discovery jump into the middle of Borg Space during a test and attract the attention of the Collective, which wants to assimilate this new bio-mechanical hybrid drive technology?

The Discovery will have to make their escape by jumping to multiple systems to try and get the Borg off their tail so they can't track them back to Federation space.

Given the already secretive nature of the Discovery's mission, their logs of the Borg encounter are classified and added to the same secret Starfleet Intelligence database that includes the testimony of Zefram Cochrane and Lily Sloane, the encounter between the Borg and the NX-01, the reports of the El-Aurian refugees picked up by the Enterprise-B in 2293, and whatever other information was available that caused the admiralty to dispatch the Hansen's on a surprisingly well-informed mission to track the Borg long before the Enterprise-D first encountered them in Q-Who?

There's even "proof" of a sort that Starfleet had an established classified Borg Database before then:


http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Starfleet_database

Look at the stardate listed. It's the same as the stardate Sulu gives in ST:VI, set in 2293 (but before the El-Aurian arrival and the retirement of the Enterprise-A).

"Stardate 9521.6, Captain's log, USS Excelsior, Hikaru Sulu commanding. After three years, I have concluded my first assignment as master of this vessel, cataloging gaseous planetary anomalies in Beta Quadrant. We're heading home under full impulse power. I'm pleased to report that ship and crew have functioned well."

http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Trek_VI:_The_Undiscovered_Country

Starfleet was up to some shenanigans.

What episode is that picture from?

 

[anh165]

I don't believe shoehorning the Borg into this series will add anything.

Happy to see alien races we know from TOS, however fleshed out so they are portrayed convincingly in the period where Starfleet are getting their nails dirty and down to business rather than here's an alien of the week who gets in the way of exploration, oh-we-cannot-reason-with-it-lets-bash-it-over-the-head-with-a-paper-mache-rock.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

What episode is that picture from?

VOY - Scorpion

 

[TheUsualSuspect]

I'm fine with never seeing the Borg onscreen again.

 

[eschaton]

I'm fine with never seeing the Borg onscreen again.

I'd like to see a borg "origin story" but I'm not sure how that would be possible within the Star Trek setting, absent use of time travel.

 

[XCV330]

No.

 

[Blooded]

To be honest, first thought I've had both times Lorca has spoken about the possibilities of the spore drive has been the Borg. Given we've not had the Borg appear for about 14 years now, it's only a matter of time until the tv shows or movies use them again, regardless of their time setting. At least DIS has a ready-made story device for making it happen.

Quite frankly, it would be great to see them accidentally jump to the Delta Quadrant, only to have appeared right in front of a Borg cube. Have the ship look tiny in comparison to the cube, have a few seconds of tension, then get the ship the hell outta there. Merely a cameo, no real damage to canon done, and enough to get all us fans talking for months and years about it. We wouldn't even need to see a drone.

 

[XCV330]

I'd rather they accidentally jumped in front of V'ger or the Whale Probe, took a look and collectively said "the hell is that?" and went back where they were supposed to go.

 

[eschaton]

To be honest, first thought I've had both times Lorca has spoken about the possibilities of the spore drive has been the Borg. Given we've not had the Borg appear for about 14 years now, it's only a matter of time until the tv shows or movies use them again, regardless of their time setting. At least DIS has a ready-made story device for making it happen.

Quite frankly, it would be great to see them accidentally jump to the Delta Quadrant, only to have appeared right in front of a Borg cube. Have the ship look tiny in comparison to the cube, have a few seconds of tension, then get the ship the hell outta there. Merely a cameo, no real damage to canon done, and enough to get all us fans talking for months and years about it. We wouldn't even need to see a drone.

I think the season should end with Klingons boarding the ship, and then the Spore Drive jumping to the delta quadrant and getting stuck due to the spore drive breaking down.

Then next season, we need to follow the adventures of the crew of the Discovery and the Klingons as they work together to cross the Delta quadrant and find their way back home.

Okay, it would never happen, but I would LOL so hard if it did.

 

[anh165]

I'd rather they accidentally jumped in front of V'ger or the Whale Probe, took a look and collectively said "the hell is that?" and went back where they were supposed to go.

If they materialise anywhere near the Whale probe, they would be a sitting duck in deep deep space = game over.

 

[XCV330]

If they materialise anywhere near the Whale probe, they would be a sitting duck in deep deep space = game over.

If the Whale Probe eats mushrooms.

 

[KennyB]

Nope........I love the neverending march of threads like this...........Charlie X next maybe?