Discovery and "The Orville" Comparisons
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they set up a very compelling serialized story. took three episodes. so what they didnt introduce anything "new"
its also a prequel show.
I think that "new" is far more the discussion that it generates. I like the fact that it is a bit of an open ended question left at the end was an interesting twist.
It might not be "new" but it was enjoyable and a fun discussion with my wife post episode. Same with episode 4. So, I'll take it over something "new."
And it's boring, hopefully this changes in the next episode.
Are you kidding. 4/5 episodes of The Orville were Star Trek script ripoffs.
i think what youre saying is you dont like the serialized adventure drama.
i think they are executing the show they decided to make very well. they seem yo have chosen a direction that you dont like.
but so what? you seem to be getting ouy of the orville what you want from this show.
plenty of us are happy to have two different shows.
I'd say that's a bad thing but TMP is literally a rewritten TOS episode.
I don't see the relevance there. I can cite many times when shows/artists lift from their own works. This is someone lifting from someone ELSE'S work.
Yes and no. Seth MacFarlane is lifting from Trek liberally but he's ALSO got a bunch of Star Trek alumni working on the show with him. Frakes directed the last episode.
Orville is basically the Jon Snow of Star Trek. It has no right to the title but it's not a pretender to Star Trek either as it shares the blood of the series.
Like Battlestar Galactica's reboot.
Yeah, getting Trek alumni on board is a cute way to keep the lawyers away.
And Galactica's reboot was said to be a reboot. Irrelevant.
It really wouldn't be and isn't.
Seth has openly stated the show is based on his love of Star Trek so it's a bit like saying Stephen King ripped off H.P. Lovecraft for Jerusalem's Lot.
So what you're saying is that The Orville is a Star Trek cover band.
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DSC's look is gorgeous, the story suffers quite a bit in some areas, the characters are very much a mixed bag, and I've only recently come fully onboard because I liked the episode many call the "real" pilot.
It still has great potential.
Orville looks good (not on the same level as DSC, but more than adequate), the characters are fun and engaging, and I've been onboard since the pilot, which made me fall in love with it.
It also has great potential.
I love both series, and since I get to watch both, that means I get two sci-fi shows a week. This is win/win. Now, that being said, while I enjoyed DSC's "Context is for Kings," The Orville's "Pria" was very awesome, and took a great turn I didn't expect. Plus, this shot was easily my favorite:
So I think The Orville can compete on every level, and I think that on some of those levels, it's winning handily. On others, it's holding its own, though not as well as DSC.
Regardless, I win either way. MOAR!
It still has great potential.
Orville looks good (not on the same level as DSC, but more than adequate), the characters are fun and engaging, and I've been onboard since the pilot, which made me fall in love with it.
It also has great potential.
I love both series, and since I get to watch both, that means I get two sci-fi shows a week. This is win/win. Now, that being said, while I enjoyed DSC's "Context is for Kings," The Orville's "Pria" was very awesome, and took a great turn I didn't expect. Plus, this shot was easily my favorite:
So I think The Orville can compete on every level, and I think that on some of those levels, it's winning handily. On others, it's holding its own, though not as well as DSC.
Regardless, I win either way. MOAR!
That's an entirely accurate and oddly concise way of explaining it.
Mind you, it's a bit like a Aerosmith cover band which occasionally plays with Steven Tyler and signed with their old label.
Or Kelly Clarkson and her weird relationship with Reba Macintire.
The Orville reminds me mostly of SAINTS ROW II vs. GRAND THEFT AUTO IV.
For some context, Grand Theft Auto, like Star Trek spawned many many imitators. Star Trek spawned Andromeda (which is more like it's less popular, less cool kid sister since Gene Roddenberry kinda-sorta made it), Seaquest, books like the Vorkosigan Saga, and arguably modern science fiction as we know it.
Grand Theft Auto III created hundreds of imitators but the most successful was Saints Row. Saints Row began as a HORRIBLE OBVIOUS copy with the same gameplay, basic plot, and style. It was close to plagarism of Grand Theft Auto III. GTA III gained more traction with some very silly sequels in Vice City and the simultaneously dramatic as well as ridiculous San Andreas.
HOWEVER, then GTA changed.
Grand Theft Auto wanted to be taken SERIOUSLY so they made a dark, depressing, and entirely AWESOME game which removed 90% of the humor as well as focused on the tragic backstory of a fallen soldier turned hitman named Nico Bellic. Fan reception was mixed because they didn't want a serious GTA. They wanted a wacky and off the wall game.
Saints Row II thus delivered a dense and wacky game involving sewer attacks on buildings, oddball costumes, voodoo gangs, and hot dog costumes. Oddly, Michael Dorn was invited to be one of the bosses in the game.
And it basically satisfied the needs of both fanbases. The people who liked the serious liked GTAIV and the people who liked the silly loved Saints Row II.
For some context, Grand Theft Auto, like Star Trek spawned many many imitators. Star Trek spawned Andromeda (which is more like it's less popular, less cool kid sister since Gene Roddenberry kinda-sorta made it), Seaquest, books like the Vorkosigan Saga, and arguably modern science fiction as we know it.
Grand Theft Auto III created hundreds of imitators but the most successful was Saints Row. Saints Row began as a HORRIBLE OBVIOUS copy with the same gameplay, basic plot, and style. It was close to plagarism of Grand Theft Auto III. GTA III gained more traction with some very silly sequels in Vice City and the simultaneously dramatic as well as ridiculous San Andreas.
HOWEVER, then GTA changed.
Grand Theft Auto wanted to be taken SERIOUSLY so they made a dark, depressing, and entirely AWESOME game which removed 90% of the humor as well as focused on the tragic backstory of a fallen soldier turned hitman named Nico Bellic. Fan reception was mixed because they didn't want a serious GTA. They wanted a wacky and off the wall game.
Saints Row II thus delivered a dense and wacky game involving sewer attacks on buildings, oddball costumes, voodoo gangs, and hot dog costumes. Oddly, Michael Dorn was invited to be one of the bosses in the game.
And it basically satisfied the needs of both fanbases. The people who liked the serious liked GTAIV and the people who liked the silly loved Saints Row II.
Well, while the first handful of episodes of B5 weren’t nearly as strong as the episodes of the 2nd or 3rd season, I still thought they were pretty good, and definitely left me looking forward to the rest of the show, which is more than you can say about the first three episodes of STD.
But let’s leave B5 out of it since we disagree, and try to compare the first three episodes of STD with the first three episodes of The Expanse. By episode 3, we’ve already been introduced to most of the major characters. We know Errinwright is probably a bad guy, can cheer for Avasarala and Miller, and we’re on the edge of the seat watching Holden and his crew go from bad, to worse to “holy shit!” These are characters you can love and hate, sympathize with and cheer for. We know where the story is going and got two mysteries to explore (Julie Mao and the Cant).
Compare that with the first three episodes of STD. Any interesting characters? Aside from Lorca there’s zilch. Do we really care about the Klingon war? Eh, not really. There’s the shroom drive if you can get past the initial silliness of the idea, but even that is just the means to an end, rather than an interesting plot arc.
Uh...hello.
I watch Star Trek for Klingons and ALWAYS want more of them.
I don't really care about discovery if I can get nonstop Klingon War. I was furious when I found out it wasn't an ongoing plot in Online.
Screw the Undine. Feddies vs. The Sons of Kling
This kind of post illustrates the redundancy of this thread now...
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