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Discovery and "The Orville" Comparisons

In this day and age of insta I want it now, no one appreciates the slow torch anymore. The only fantasy/scifi show that seems to have gotten away with long term buildups in recent years is Game of Thrones, and even that is catching a lot of flak because the payoff's so far have been a big letdown according to many (I happen to agree).
It isn't just this day and age of wanting it now. Television series all through the history of Television have had series where it starts right in the middle of something, and establishes as it goes along.

In fact, many series I've watched are like that, and ones that have this desire to slow burn and build an overwrought story from the start just don't hold interest as much.

Even though LOST had a disappointing finale, it started right in a gripping situation and took you along while giving you the background as you went along. And last I checked, it was immensely popular across the board.
 
It would appear you went into the beginners trap.
The emerging consensus seems to be that the Orville sucks in its pilot episode, which is filled with one liners that falls flat.
But then, it suddenly kind of finds its stride in episode two.
And people fall in love with it with episode 3, and that sentiment is only strengthened by episode four.

Finish the last ten minutes of the pilot, and then give episodes two and three a go. Chances are good that like so many other who were ready to write it off after the first episode, you will change your mind.
I woul say that the second episode is simply an improvement over the pilot. The third episode has an interesting premise with some real dramatic potential that is completely undercut by an inept script that barely scratches the surface of the episode's potential. The episode also contains at least one joke that is wildly out of place even for this show. Script was written by Seth McFarlane, btw. I haven't seen the fourth episode yet.

If Orville is watched for what it appears to be, a Trek parody, it might be more enjoyable. But, from what I'v seen to date, when it tries for drama, well...
 
I never felt that way once about Picard or Riker. Looking back now, it makes TNG feel more like an after school "do the right thing" series than a serious adult television drama.

Trek is not a "serious adult television drama."
 
If Orville is watched for what it appears to be, a Trek parody, it might be more enjoyable. But, from what I'v seen to date, when it tries for drama, well...
It's hewing much closer to homage than parody.

As far as the drama is concerned, The Orville placed two of its main characters more convincingly in jeopardy in just this past episode than most episodes of Trek could, FWIW.
 
In this day and age of insta I want it now, no one appreciates the slow torch anymore. The only fantasy/scifi show that seems to have gotten away with long term buildups in recent years is Game of Thrones, and even that is catching a lot of flak because the payoff's so far have been a big letdown according to many (I happen to agree).

GoT was great when it was using GRRM's books directly as source material, but now that it's run ahead of the book series it's mostly devolved into generic modern television where character development plays second fiddle to big "moments."
 
The Orville Drinking Game: Be the first to correctly call out exactly which Trek moment is being referenced to make everyone else take a shot.

The Orville is hella good fun but I would not trade it for Discovery.

Shoot as long as the Orville continues to be free IM DOWN!
 
It's hewing much closer to homage than parody.
In the most recent episode, at one point, an Orville crewman in celebrating something he'd just accomplished, stood up on the bridge and yelled, "Yeah, that's what I'm talking about!" while pumping his fist. Early in he episode, Mercer sends Isaac the robot, a picture of a penis. Although Seth McFarlane has been calling the show a "dramady". With jokes like the aforementioned, the show plays more like a parody. BTW, homage" and "parody" aren't mutually exclusive. The show can be both.

As far as the drama is concerned, The Orville placed two of its main characters more convincingly in jeopardy in just this past episode than most episodes of Trek could, .
Really? In 6 TV shows, you don't think that any of them put any of their characters in as much jeopardy ("convincingly") as this past Orville episode? It's really not that hard. The loathsome Ent episode, TaTV actually put a main character in so much peril, he died a result. Same thing happened in a TNG episode.

If you really believe what you posted, you may not be that familiar with Trek.
 
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t one of the Orville At one point during the Orville crewman in celebrating something he'd just accomplished, stood up on the bridge and yelled, "Yeah, that's what I'm talking about!" while pumping his fist. Early in he episode, Mercer sends Isaac the robot, a picture of a penis.

Boom! :D

Really? In 6 TV shows, you don't think that any of them put any of their characters in as much jeopardy as this past Orville episode?

The word he used was "most." Not "any," but "most." The Orville has certainly done it more entertainingly that most Trek shows other than TOS, as well.

I'm very familiar with Star Trek, back to the very beginning.
 
I've seen 2 Orville episodes and 3 STD ones. I'm disappointed with both, Orville isn't that funny, but the stories are actually more entertaining than STD. Both are visually well made, but it shows better in the Orville because we can actually see everything. Loved the Zoo episode, good old Trek. I felt it was much stronger as a sci fi idea, albeit done many times before, than any of the three STD episodes.
 
If you really believe what you posted, you're either not that familiar with Trek or you're a little emotional right now.
You might want to re-read what I said. There were two operative words: "most" and "convincingly."

Pointing to those few episodes in which a main character dies doesn't begin to contradict the concept of "most," which by the way indicates a third word that was also key in what I said: "jeopardy." People don't have to die to be endangered, or in order words to be put in jeopardy, and that takes us back to the "convincingly" part. I'm quite familiar with how completely unsuspenseful most instances in Trek of the main characters being jeopardized were, having, you know, seen them all, in most instances multiple times. Palicki sold the idea that she was getting beaten up, that she wasn't going to crack, and therefore that she was in danger. It was also a plot point that Kitan had taken a blast that really hurt her. The delivery of both of those easily beat, say, Picard's "Worf went down" in "The High Ground" in terms of creating a sense that main characters were actually at risk of harm. Sticking with "The High Ground" as just a random example, the bomb planted on the warp core took so long to explode that any sense of danger was completely sucked out of that scene, as it allowed Geordi to do whatever was necessary to get it off and out of there.

Putting main characters in jeopardy is just one type of drama, but it's an example of where The Orville is doing just fine so far.
 
I think the Orville's biggest appeal right now is that it's relaxed and comfortable which is something Star Trek hasn't been for awhile. The big appeal is that it's apparently a fully functioning society where our heroes work on their pot and holodeck equipped ship between missions.

It's not a series where you're afraid fo the cast versus Discovery which is DEEP and DARK.

This is very much the luxury Enterprise of TNG.
 
Actually the fact that the Orville has a holodeck is pretty significant to me, I've always loved holodeck episodes/ideas and I'm hoping to see more of it.
 
Actually the fact that the Orville has a holodeck is pretty significant to me, I've always loved holodeck episodes/ideas and I'm hoping to see more of it.

Generally, I was sold on the show when the premise was the same one in Star trek Online.

"You're not actually qualified for this job but we have too many ships due to over-expansion."
 
You might want to re-read what I said. There were two operative words: "most" and "convincingly."

Pointing to those few episodes in which a main character dies doesn't begin to contradict the concept of "most," which by the way indicates a third word that was also key in what I said: "jeopardy." People don't have to die to be endangered, or in order words to be put in jeopardy, and that takes us back to the "convincingly" part. I'm quite familiar with how completely unsuspenseful most instances in Trek of the main characters being jeopardized were, having, you know, seen them all, in most instances multiple times. Palicki sold the idea that she was getting beaten up, that she wasn't going to crack, and therefore that she was in danger. It was also a plot point that Kitan had taken a blast that really hurt her. The delivery of both of those easily beat, say, Picard's "Worf went down" in "The High Ground" in terms of creating a sense that main characters were actually at risk of harm. Sticking with "The High Ground" as just a random example, the bomb planted on the warp core took so long to explode that any sense of danger was completely sucked out of that scene, as it allowed Geordi to do whatever was necessary to get it off and out of there.

Putting main characters in jeopardy is just one type of drama, but it's an example of where The Orville is doing just fine so far.
Okay, it's purely subjective as to whether or not you find scenes where characters are placed in jeopardy convincing or entertaining. I agree.

In the episode in question, 2 Orville officers are on a strange ship. They are confronted by 3 guys with guns who demand they stand down or put their hands up etc. The officers react badly. One is shot in the shoulder, the other is knocked unconscious and kidnapped. Grayson is then taken and tortured for information and eventually rescued before any permanent damage is done.

This scene was carried out competently. It was routine. This same type of scene and close variations, have occurred dozens and dozens of times throughout Trek (and many other shows') TV runs. However, if you think that that scene was carried out with some special expertise by cast and crew, then I'm happy for you. I think you're watching the right show.
 
It's not a series where you're afraid fo the cast versus Discovery which is DEEP and DARK.

I think a huge part of it is that The Orville isn't doing the dark future everyone else, including Discovery, is doing. The Enterprise-D, for all of its faults, felt like someplace you'd want to be, the same thing is going on with the Orville.
 
I think a huge part of it is that The Orville isn't doing the dark future everyone else, including Discovery, is doing. The Enterprise-D, for all of its faults, felt like someplace you'd want to be, the same thing is going on with the Orville.
The Ent-D felt like someplace you would check in to for a long weekend in Tucson. So. Much. Tan.
 
I'm a big fan of Sasha but I also choose Adrianne Palicki as a companion, mostly because she's not likely to physically assault me.

She was also on my fantasy casting for my Star Trek EXPY novel. :)
 
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