I think we just need to accept the fact that this is a full reboot.

[Jayson1]

If we want a way to prove if something is part of the same shared universe then wouldn't the best way to do that would be in seeing how a true crossover episode would feel? If you did a "Discovery" episode were you somehow encountered the "TOS" Enterprise crew, as we saw them in the 60's, and you saw them interact you could tell whether your dealing with a shared universe based on just how natural that crossover would feel. You could take Picard and using him on DS9,Voyager, and even Enterprise and it would feel natural.

I think "Discovery" looks and feels unnatural to the rest of Trek as "TOS" does but we are supose to believe they are basically taking place at the same time. You don't have those long time period gaps between shows as a kind excuse to explain the differences like "TOS" did with "Enterprise" and "TNG."

Now if they do what I suspect after hearing some rumors, about a alternate universe like in the Mirror Universe, that to me would make me feel like a natural way to do a visual reboot and still be technically a prime universe show. It's basically the same excuse that Nimoy's Spock gives for the "Kelvin Universe" being different in TOS time. It's basically a way to be both prime and reboot at the same time. The only other natural way to do a visual reboot and stay prime is another significant time gap, most likely into the future but I think you also have one to work with in between "TOS" movies and "TNG" and maybe another in 20 to 30 years after "Enterprise."

Jason

 

[MadeIndescribable]

If you did a "Discovery" episode were you somehow encountered the "TOS" Enterprise crew, as we saw them in the 60's, and you saw them interact you could tell whether your dealing with a shared universe based on just how natural that crossover would feel.

I haven't read it yet, but isn't this essentially what David Mack's novel does?

 

[BillJ]

I haven't read it yet, but isn't this essentially what David Mack's novel does?

Yep. And it doesn't come across well, at all. At least to me. Hologram Pike on the Shenzhou, Georgiou on the Enterprise viewscreen.

It is comical.

 

[Jayson1]

I haven't read it yet, but isn't this essentially what David Mack's novel does?

Were those the novels were you saw different universe's like in one a Andorian was Kirk's first officer and then Kirk dies and then in another Data left Starfleet after being declared property and one where humans in the 24th century are all genetically engineered and ruthless rulers?

It that is the case then I would say yes though I think the Worf "Parallels" episode on "TNG" also explores that idea along with the show "Sliders." I am curious. Did Kurtzman have anything to do with "Fringe?" I know he worked on "Lost" and that show along with "Fringe" were created by Abrams. We also know that show explored a alternate universe and it also was about secret science stuff going on which would make "Discovery" concept seem like a Trek version of that kind of show.

Jason

 

[MadeIndescribable]

Were those the novels were you saw different universe's like in one a Andorian was Kirk's first officer and then Kirk dies and then in another Data left Starfleet after being declared property and one where humans in the 24th century are all genetically engineered and ruthless rulers?

That sounds like the Myriad Universe books, not the ones I was referring to. I meant in the new Discovery book Desperate Hours, which sees Burnham and Georgiou together with the TOS Enterprise, albeit under Captain Pike instead of Kirk.

 

[Mirror Mirror]

That sounds like the Myriad Universe books, not the ones I was referring to. I meant in the new Discovery book Desperate Hours, which sees Burnham and Georgiou together with the TOS Enterprise, albeit under Captain Pike instead of Kirk.

Books are not canon, they make up their own interconnected reality however. Any book published by Pocket books, uses their in house version of the setting.

 

[DigificWriter]

David Mack consulted directly with the Discovery writer's room as he was working on Desperate Hours, so the whole "books aren't Canon" thing doesn't strictly apply here.

Also, the novels have never been able to directly disregard the Canon; they're bound by it, even if the Canon isn't bound by them.

 

[MadeIndescribable]

Books are not canon, they make up their own interconnected reality however. Any book published by Pocket books, uses their in house version of the setting.

As much as I agree they are not Canon, the Discovery books are being produced in conjunction with the shows writers. Mack had access to all the scripts, and there is even a writer for the show (Kirsten Beyer) whose job is to make sure the show, novels, and comics all adhere to each other, something Trek has never been done before.

So as much as it isn't Canon from the point of view of CBS as copyright holders, it has been written with the shows writers knowledge, blessing, and input.

 

[Mirror Mirror]

David Mack consulted directly with the Discovery writer's room as he was working on Desperate Hours, so the whole "books aren't Canon" thing doesn't strictly apply here.

Yeah, it does. Some of his ideas may get used, but until its own screen none of it is canon.

 

[MadeIndescribable]

David Mack consulted directly with the Discovery writer's room as he was working on Desperate Hours, so the whole "books aren't Canon" thing doesn't strictly apply here.

I saw a post from Larry Nemececk earlier who described it as "Neo-Canon".

 

[Mirror Mirror]

As much as I agree they are not Canon, the Discovery books are being produced in conjunction with the shows writers. Mack had access to all the scripts, and there is even a writer for the show (Kirsten Beyer) whose job is to make sure the show, novels, and comics all adhere to each other, something Trek has never been done before.

So as much as it isn't Canon from the point of view of CBS as copyright holders, it has been written with the shows writers knowledge, blessing, and input.

Which is cool and I hope some of his backstories and names get used. But it is still not canon. However, we have seen this show take Novel ideas and run with them. So he has a good chance to impact the show.

 

[DigificWriter]

Yeah, it does. Some of his ideas may get used, but until its own screen none of it is canon.

I said "strictly".

Discovery's writer's room isn't bound by what is happening/might happen in the show's tie-in novels, but there's more of a "two-way street" than there's ever been before, resulting in far less likelihood that things will end up being contradicted.

The novels may not be strictly Canonical, but they're going to be about as close to Canonical as you can get otherwise.

 

[MadeIndescribable]

Which is cool and I hope some of his backstories and names get used. But it is still not canon. However, we have seen this show take Novel ideas and run with them. So he has a good chance to impact the show.

But going back to Jason's original point, this is probably as close as we'll get to seeing a Discovery/TOS crossover.

I said "strictly".

Discovery's writer's room isn't bound by what is happening/might happen in the show's tie-in novels, but there's more of a "two-way street" than there's ever been before, resulting in far less likelihood that things will end up being contradicted.

The novels may not be strictly Canonical, but they're going to be about as close to Canonical as you can get otherwise.

Considering the amount of communication going between the various media, even if none of the prose/comic ideas make it to screen, I highly doubt the series writers will contradict them unless they REALLY have good reason to.

 

[Mirror Mirror]

But going back to Jason's original point, this is probably as close as we'll get to seeing a Discovery/TOS crossover.

Considering the amount of communication going between the various media, even if none of the prose/comic ideas make it to screen, I highly doubt the series writers will contradict them unless they REALLY have good reason to.

As long as they leave his odd uniform fetishes out I am good

 

[F. King Daniel]

I said "strictly".

Discovery's writer's room isn't bound by what is happening/might happen in the show's tie-in novels, but there's more of a "two-way street" than there's ever been before, resulting in far less likelihood that things will end up being contradicted.

The novels may not be strictly Canonical, but they're going to be about as close to Canonical as you can get otherwise.

When Voyager started, producer/writer Jeri Taylor wrote 2 Voyager novels giving backstory to Janeway and the others. Until Taylor left, details from those novels were used in the show. After she left, contradictory backstory started creeping in.

I imagine it'll be the same with the DSC novels. As long as the writers are involved, they're official. If/when things change, they're out.

 

[Tuskin38]

Considering the amount of communication going between the various media, even if none of the prose/comic ideas make it to screen, I highly doubt the series writers will contradict them unless they REALLY have good reason to.

I believe it was Kirsten who said if a show writer comes up good idea that contradicts the novel, they'll use that idea over the novel.

 

[Maestro]

To quote the Android from Dark Matter, “Ok.”

 

[fireproof78]

JJ gets paid. For two Star Wars films now. He's not feeling the pain.

This is the same fan base that drove Lucas to retirement...give it time.

 

[GeekUSACarl]

maybe im too much a knucklehead for this conversation but as far as i know... its apart of whatever universe they say it is whether i like it or not.

 

[fireproof78]

maybe im too much a knucklehead for this conversation but as far as i know... its apart of whatever universe they say it is whether i like it or not.

That's generally my thinking too, but apparently that's not right...or something.