Another really enjoyable ep. I SO look forward to my Monday evening viewings on Hulu. This ep had a bit of Rendezvous with Rama and a bit of The Starlost. OK, a LOT of The Starlost.
It was "For the World is Hollow and I have Touched the Sky".
Another really enjoyable ep. I SO look forward to my Monday evening viewings on Hulu. This ep had a bit of Rendezvous with Rama and a bit of The Starlost. OK, a LOT of The Starlost.
One other very minor element I didn't mention: I was surprised they had Kelly perform as advocate, and didn't call for a JAG officer. The Orville ships seem fast enough that it shouldn't be an issue. Especially since Moclus is part of the Union, there should be an embassy or the equivalent, maybe even a space station with appropriate staff. The show didn't provide any reasoning why that wouldn't be possible (time constraints or had to be someone with X knowledge or in Bortas' chain of command, etc.). A minor quibble, but at least "Measure of a Man" excused it with having no other JAG staff present (not the best excuse, but something). Yeah, Kelly's presentation was somewhat humorous, but maybe not the best defense of their position?
We do. Since the "benefits" of the gender reassignment surgery are not of a medical nature, it is unlikely to appear in a medical database, and introductory materials are unlikely to mention it because female births are to infrequent to make it worth mentioning. Gender reassignment may also be something the Moclans consider self-evident in this case, so they may fail to mention it while not know that they had to. Bottom line, though, is that we don't know the contents of the medical database, so we can't judge the doctor by their contents.As for culture vs medicine, i would still think that such a fact would be among the introductory information a doctor would receive about their species because it is pertinent, especially when her crew has some Moclans: 1) average/height weight humanoid, 2) standard carbon based biology, 3) all male race, reproduces via eggs..., 4) occasional female births, often dealt with by surgery at birth... but I guess we differ on this point.
I don't see how they weren't, medically speaking. Legally speaking is another matter...I would still prefer that the show present these professionals as either knowledgeable in their field or willing to learn.
There's a difference between accuracy and detail. I didn't find anything particularly inaccurate (medically speaking), given the level of detail the show provided, and a writer should only provide the amount of detail necessary for the plot. The more detail you have, the harder it is to be accurate in your details. That's not to say I didn't want a little more detail, but it wasn't essential for my personal enjoyment of the episode, and adding unnecessary detail can do more harm than good.As for "not being able to encompass the entirety..." I don't want them to cover everything, I just wanted them to be accurate in what was presented in the episode especially when it is presented as a serious matter (e.g., affecting their whole society and being a legal and ethical matter). If the show wants a goof off episode or a humorous portrayal of some element of a culture, then that is perfectly fine. But this episode wasn't playing this part for laughs.
I'm totally on board with you on this one. At the very least, they could have arranged for a JAG officer to rendezvous with them at the Moclan homeworld. Then again, thinking back on the episode, Moclan law may have required Bortas to appoint an advocate on the spot, so they didn't have time to find someone qualified. Not a great plot device, though. I'd have preferred some more realistic court drama with people who present a case like actual lawyers.One other very minor element I didn't mention: I was surprised they had Kelly perform as advocate, and didn't call for a JAG officer. The Orville ships seem fast enough that it shouldn't be an issue. Especially since Moclus is part of the Union, there should be an embassy or the equivalent, maybe even a space station with appropriate staff. The show didn't provide any reasoning why that wouldn't be possible (time constraints or had to be someone with X knowledge or in Bortas' chain of command, etc.). A minor quibble, but at least "Measure of a Man" excused it with having no other JAG staff present (not the best excuse, but something). Yeah, Kelly's presentation was somewhat humorous, but maybe not the best defense of their position?
For example, a Trek series would probably also have wasted a scene on the crew obtaining their disguises.
Given how anal Star Trek fans can be about "canon" it's understandable. I actually got into an argument with someone here once who actually tried arguing the characters aren't breathing oxygen in the episodes that don't state it.Trek over-explains in part, perhaps, to satisfy the feedback the writers get from a nitpicky fanbase.
They may not have destroyed the franchise, but they did do a number on the Fanbase.Voyager and Enterprise most assuredly did not destroy the franchise. Franchise fatigue surely did.
Enterprise season 2 killed the franchise, utter dire! It could never recover.Voyager and Enterprise most assuredly did not destroy the franchise. Franchise fatigue surely did.
Wow, it really is amazing how overly literal some people are.
As for the current debate, I don't really see where any of the stuff @Ometiklan wants would have really been necessarily, it wouldn't have really changed any of the stuff that happened, and it would have just added unnecessary technical details that nobody other than a few nerd on the internet would have cared about. The thing to keep in mind is that these kinds of shows need to be able to appeal to the casual fans, who just want an entertaining story and aren't going to be concerned with details of Moclan biology or culture.
This is going for a much more casual audience than Trek did, so they're not into as much detail. Which is probably for the best, since I have a feeling that that obsession with details is part of what almost destroyed the franchise with Voyager and Enterprise.
Here we go again with franchise fatigue. (hint, it's quality not quantity)Voyager and Enterprise most assuredly did not destroy the franchise. Franchise fatigue surely did.
Have you ever seen any eps of The Starlost? It's on YouTube. Lower budget but decent sci-fi. You'll see what I meant if you take a look.It was "For the World is Hollow and I have Touched the Sky".
Voyager and Enterprise most assuredly did not destroy the franchise. Franchise fatigue surely did.
Second, one female living to old age provides only anecdotal evidence of a single healthy female. We don't even know if she underwent any health treatments after she was born. My whole point is that the characters make claims about Moclans and their heatlh/biology about which they are shown to have little to no knowledge, or about which no support is provided.
No, from way before that. McFarlane is familiar with the antecedents, whether trekkies are or not.It was "For the World is Hollow and I have Touched the Sky".
Franchise fatigue? That's Berman's narrative that blames post-TNG/pre-DSC TV Trek's steady loss of viewers on something other than the fact that TPTB were unable to make a show that people wanted to keep watching. More accurate than "franchise fatigue" is "We couldn't make a show that people wanted to watch," or "We made boring shows and couldn't collectively stop ourselves from doing it."Voyager and Enterprise most assuredly did not destroy the franchise. Franchise fatigue surely did.
Franchise fatigue? That's Berman's narrative ...
Franchise fatigue? That's Berman's narrative that blames post-TNG/pre-DSC TV Trek's steady loss of viewers on something other than the fact that TPTB were unable to make a show that people wanted to keep watching. More accurate than "franchise fatigue" is "We couldn't make a show that people wanted to watch," or "We made boring shows and couldn't collectively stop ourselves from doing it."
It's blame-shifting. It supports a narrative that the franchise was fine, but people were just over-saturated with it. My contention is that people were sick of the formula that the shows had gotten themselves trapped in. Once the franchise started divorcing itself from the Berman-era patterns, and going back to dynamics that it had left behind, but which were still intrinsically of the franchise, like Kirk and Spock's relationship, it found itself rejuvenated.It's accurate. People were bored with Trek. The audience started abandoning it in the first year of DS9.
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