Burnham's Mutiny... Not Canon?

[Kane_Steel]

You are really reaching here.

UHURA: Message from Starbase Eleven, sir. Received images from Talos Four. In view of historic importance of Captain Pike in space exploration, General Order Seven prohibiting contact Talos Four is suspended this occasion. No action contemplated against Spock. Proceed as you think best. Signed, Mendez, J.I., Commodore, Starbase Eleven.

Obviously the trial was more real than that. Spock still PLED guilty. Mendez still saw the events unfurl. It’s just that Spock was not found guilty because of a suspension in the rules FOR VISITING TALOS IV. He still committed mutiny.

Many officers have committed mutiny, that was never in question. But Burnham was definitely charged with it, found guilty, put on legit trial, and put in jail because of it. So her mutiny is criminal record.


Spock's supposed mutiny never even went to trial and he never got a criminal record. Don't forget they needed 3 Command Officers to have a court martial trial, and Mendez was never there. It was just the Keeper's illusion.


Spock's situation is nowhere near the severity of Burnham's recorded mutiny, that basically the entire quadrant knows about.

I can understand why Chekov wouldn't know since he is just a little kid at this point in time.

 

[Kane_Steel]

It's right there in the record.

Spock never gained a criminal record, he wasn't found guilty of anything. Especially since there wasn't a trial.

 

[Mirror Mirror]

Spock never gained a criminal record, he wasn't found guilty of anything. Especially since there wasn't a trial.

Its on record, he plead guilty.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Spock never gained a criminal record, he wasn't found guilty of anything. Especially since there wasn't a trial.

They don't erase the records. It's still there in the logs of the Enterprise, Starbase 11 and Starfleet.

 

[Kane_Steel]

The record of a trial that never happened.

 

[Nerys Myk]

The record of a trial that never happened.

No, the record of the events leading to that trial.

 

[Cyrus]

Spock was just covering for his sister.

 

[Balok's Decoy]

I'd rather just enjoy a good story than obsess over trivial minutiae that literally has no bearing on anything whatsoever. Like, no one should care about this. It doesn't matter.

 

[WarpFactorZ]

Obviously the trial was more real than that. Spock still PLED guilty. Mendez still saw the events unfurl. It’s just that Spock was not found guilty because of a suspension in the rules FOR VISITING TALOS IV. He still committed mutiny.

No. I think he basically said "What happens at Talos IV, STAYS at Talos IV. Have a good day. Mendez OUT!"

Or in other words: Spock DID NOT commit mutiny! Period. (The Talosians clearly had some incriminating tapes of Mendez from Risa).

 

[Spot261]

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.....lol

I assume you aren't seriously going to suggest that every minor discrepancy in the much vaunted trek continuity should result in an episode or event being expelled from school?

Seriously if we were to do that the whole franchise would have got as far as "The Cage" and I'm not sure I even mean the end of the episode.....

 

[Noname Given]

I assume you aren't seriously going to suggest that every minor discrepancy in the much vaunted trek continuity should result in an episode or event being expelled from school?

Seriously if we were to do that the whole franchise would have got as far as "The Cage" and I'm not sure I even mean the end of the episode.....

Hell with TNG you'd have to throw oiut the entire series...I mean Picard is OBVIOUSLY NOT FRENCH = MAJOR CANON VIOLATION

 

[F. King Daniel]

Its almost like they're just doing whatever the hell they want and are calling it "prime timeline" because they think it'll get them one or two extra CBS subscriptions.

 

[Spot261]

Its almost like they're just doing whatever the hell they want and are calling it "prime timeline"

Which is pretty much what trek has been doing for fifty years and making it work just fine.

 

[dahj]

Random Discovery Complaint Generator:

[Insert Previous Trek Character] says one line.
IGNORE That line's been contradicted a bunch of times previously.
It's UNACCEPTABLE now, make OUTRAGE thread.

 

[Cyrus]

No. I think he basically said "What happens at Talos IV, STAYS at Talos IV. Have a good day. Mendez OUT!"

Or in other words: Spock DID NOT commit mutiny! Period. (The Talosians clearly had some incriminating tapes of Mendez from Risa).

It's been a while since I watched Menagerie, but the way I remember it Mendez was not actually there and his image was created by Talosians, and there was no real court martial.

 

[SpaceViking]

This is why prequels are a bad idea. There will always be canon violation when you have to take into account for 600 episodes that follows the prequel. ENT messed up the canon og DIS will also make even more mess. In my opinion it would be better to do a clean reboot of the franchise. No prime or Kelvin universe, a brand new Star Trek that honors spirit of the old shows.

 

[Commishsleer]

Whats the definition of a starship? Is every apace ship a starship?

I'm arbitrarily ignoring all the mutinies on the Enterprise.
1. The Menagerie - How much of it was real and how much was generated by the Talosians.?
2. This Side of Paradise and Naked Time (under the influence and pretty lame attempts)
3. Turnabout Intruder - With Spock, Scott and McCoy convicted - occurred after the fact (as a matter of fact I'm going to claim all of the Enterprise "mutinies" occurred after that discussion.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Tilly is a manipulative psycho.

"I've read everything about Georgou" ...Except for who Georgou's first officer had been for the last seven years.

Seriously though?

Is that not a yellow prison uniform that Michael is wearing?

(It might not be, the other prisoners were in Green.)

 

[BillJ]

Shall we excise Whom Gods Destroy, too?

Is it mutiny if a crew refuses to carry out an illegal order?

 

[Guy Gardener]

In ENT: Hatchery, we found out that it takes three officers, including the CMO to determine an illegal order, or an unstable captain.

Although didn't Riker impress Picard by disobeying his last Captain? And didn't Riker earn his speedy promotion track by being the only bridge officer to side for Admiral Pressman while Pressman was illegally experimenting with a phase cloak in the Romulan Neutral Zone...

Surely the Romulan Neutral Zone is the last place any one smart would be breaking laws that only the Romulans care about?