Then it wouldn't be an alternate timeline.
Kelvin Timeline all but confirmed
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Then it wouldn't be an alternate timeline.
Well if you refuse to accept the word of the creators, then you're just impossible to have the discussion with, and I suspect any canon evidence that pops up you'll argue doesn't count, or figure out some reason why it is proof of nothing.
Sure it could be still Be an Alternate Timeline. As I said it could have a similar shared history not an identical shared history. But similar elements. Look at the episodes Mirror Mirror in TOS & Parallels in TNG. Ship designs and personnel similar in both episodes but also different.
Look at TOS and the Kelvin Timeline. Similar elements in their histories but also differences. Kirk took over command after Pike. Both served in the Federation, Spock was first officer in both universes. Kirk cheated and reprogrammed the Kobiyashi Maru tests in both timelines.
So in Discovery they could mention things in the Timeline that happened in both timelines. At this time in Discovery Spock in the Prime Timeline and Kelvin Timeline both are graduates of Starfleet Academy...and so on. Unless they get very specific in their references some passing references could fit in both timelines.
No, it's just because I've seen numerous examples of the creators saying something, and it not being consistent with what's on screen.
Hell, the Kelvin timeline was consistent with everything in the recorded history up until the Narada appeared, then after that most everything changed. Both timelines share the Apollo Moon program, World War III, Zefram Cochrane, the NX program and the Xindi probe attack. Both have the Eugenics Wars, Jonathan Archer and the Earth-Romulan War in their history books. But all that shared history doesn't mean they're the same timeline after a certain point. The Prime is the Prime and the Kelvin isn't.
There are as many different universes as there are stars in the heavens but STD is obviously not in the same universe as TOS!
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Not as obvious as many seem to think.
128 pages in, the thread all but disagrees.
Yeah, every time I see this I think "And this week on Kelvin Timeline theory totally busted"
Was that the original working title of the show?
Even if The Robau himself turned up on DSC, that still wouldn't convince... 
Even if The Robau himself turned up on DSC, that still wouldn't convince...
Those who want it to look like a campy 1960 TV show and to fail will never agree as they have lied to themselves.
Faran Tahir speaking the phrase "This is Richard Robau, President of the United Federation of Planets" would win the internet.
Definitive proof Discovery isn't set in the Kelvin Timeline: "You made an incursion onto an enemy planet! You killed a Klingon patrol! Even if you got away without a trace, war is coming! And who's gonna lead us, YOU? If I'm not in charge, our entire way of life is decimated!" -Admiral Alexander Marcus, Star Trek Into Darkness
Not only that, earlier before Marcus reinstates Kirk's command, he says that the Klingons have taken potshots at them a half a dozen times. Not all out war. Ergo, Discovery can't be in the Kelvin Timeline
Not only that, earlier before Marcus reinstates Kirk's command, he says that the Klingons have taken potshots at them a half a dozen times. Not all out war. Ergo, Discovery can't be in the Kelvin Timeline
Facts do not matter. Those who are upset it does not look old, not looking like a cheap fan film is all the "proof" they need.
This doesn't look like a campy 60's TV show to me. Looks like a modern reimagining of TOS.
This doesn't look like a campy 60's TV show to me. Looks like a modern reimagining of TOS.
Franklin, right? I would be fine with something like that. Has a proto-Movies era feel to it, which always fit better with the overall franchise "look" than TOS proper.
I think that a case could be made that "Prime" refers to a timeline similar but subtly changed from how it was in TOS, but still following the broad strokes (for example in the TOS Timeline Zeframe Cochrane was from Alpha Centauri, in the pre-FC Timeline he lived on Earth and launched the Phoenix assisted by Lily with a husband and wife duo as co-pilots and an unknown Mission Controller, post-FC he lived on Earth, but was launched the Phoenix with help from Riker, LaForge, Troi, Barclay and other Enterprise personnel, but in all three versions of history he is credited as the "inventor of warp drive" and in (at least) the second and third the "man who made first contact with the Vulcans") as opposed to the "Kelvin Timeline" which is specifically divergent from established canon in ways declared on-screen.
For instance, cameos by former NX-01 personnel (most likely T'Pol) wouldn't clarify the matter, as the "Earth Starfleet era" is prior to the PoV and at least common to the TNG timeline. However, if we accept Desparate Hours as "provisional canon" (like Jeri Taylor's Mosaic it can be overridden by onscreen material), then Captain Pike and Lieutenant Spock of the Enterprise contradict the idea that it is "Kelvin Timeline" and onscreen cameos by Faran Tahir (Robau) and Chris Hemsworth except in flashbacks would prove that it isn't "Kelvin".
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