Not that we've ever been told. They're asexual slug like creatures that do the scifi/fantasy genetic memory thing.
Spoilers 1st openly gay character.
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Not that we've ever been told. They're asexual slug like creatures that do the scifi/fantasy genetic memory thing.
And? Trek needs same-sex couples, but you won't allow it to have fluid identities?
The aliens represented things that weren't aliens. This is well known. It's why Trek is remembered as groundbreaking while Lost in Space is remembered as campy shlock. Both were scifi dealing with aliens, but only one meant something.
if you took social issues out, the sci fi that trek did was far and above better than what lost in space did, I think saying that the "reason" trek was remembered as better being social issues is a bit disingenuous. From the effects to the actual science behind the fiction it was worlds better.
Even still I think my statement is pretty apt, it was built on being an amazing science fiction show. yes it handled some social issues but still, social issues weren't what it's brand was built off of.
I don't remember anyone rushing home to watch Star Trek singing "I can't wait to see what social issue they're tackling today"
A single kiss in a single episode from a character who showed interest in the opposite sex before and after doesn't make her suddenly gay. If she were bi, it would be one thing. Even in the episode it was depicted as love between who they were regardless of gender given they were married in past lives. It's basically a reincarnation love trope.
I think they did. it was part of the reason Roddenberry created the show. He wanted an Adult Science Fiction show that tackled adult issues,
Gay rights and Gay representation have been a pretty big issue almost from the time TOS went off the air to the present day. It's not just a number on a list but as important as the war and Civil Rights were in the 1960's
The way I saw it was the symbiot was genderless but of course, the host, was in love with who the people she/he was in love with and the gender didn't seem to matter.
All I claimed was that her love interests might not be restricted by sexuality, and had the producers had the courage to follow the relationship, it would have been a same-sex relationship. Had the relationship run through the series, the character would have been considered homosexual.
ETA: I need to remind you that you claimed the relationship was not "romantic." That is unfounded.
if that was true then we would have tackled how many social issues on star trek even in TOS that never got tackled?
I think the point was clearly, it was a science fiction show that just happened to do so, if it was the point it would have been every episode.
Look aliens! Nothing else to see here!
Again, im not saying it didn't tackle social issues.
But to the comment to which I replied, somehow saying the difference between why people thought Star Trek was good and Lost in Space was corny, being social issues, isn't very accurate.
It was considered better because the science fiction was better.
I don't think anyone ever said "Thank god for tackling social issues otherwise this would be as stupid as lost in space"
That's when writing about a utopia is at it's best.
it's there, it was germane to the story, and the portrayal just was what it was.
The network would have final say.
It would have, but they didn't and she later married Worf. So I don't really consider it a big deal.
You may not have seen it, but I think you need directly to address that you described the relationship as being not romantic. It was, if anything, romantic, and it might have only been that.
What makes you think they didn't? It's wasn't happenstance, it was deliberate.
That's Star Trek not ray guns, aliens and rocketships.Gene Roddenberry said:
I certainly got an impression that she was bi, though it definitely would have been better had it been referred to in other episodes too, even if in passing. It would have been easy as Jadzia occasionally talked about her dates and past lovers.
As someone who doesn't want a gay romance in the show just so they can say "Look, we have a gay romance! Isn't everyone proud of us?!", so far Staments is being portrayed as a normal guy. The scene last night was just him talking to his colleague. If, later, they show him in "domestic scenes" with his boyfriend/husband/whatever 'ala O'Brien/Keiko or Crusher/Picard, I don't see a problem with that. That's normal, organic character development.
Trek has never done romance well. Personally the story would be better served if they focused on other things and made romance an incidental thing, like "This crewman has a family/domestic partner....they're worried about them since it's wartime," sort of thing.
I'm reminded of the "steamy sex scenes" that were tacked on in the first few episodes of Stargate Universe. It just felt silly, like they were doing it to be edgy and "different", i.e. "This isn't your father's Stargate! Look, sex!" ............Discovery doesn't need to be doing that.
Staments was fine. Personally I had more of a problem with the girl who's Burnham's roommate. "I've got social anxiety and I'm going to be captain someday!" Yeah, I don't care. What are you, 5? Go away.
Trek has never done romance well. Personally the story would be better served if they focused on other things and made romance an incidental thing, like "This crewman has a family/domestic partner....they're worried about them since it's wartime," sort of thing.
I'm reminded of the "steamy sex scenes" that were tacked on in the first few episodes of Stargate Universe. It just felt silly, like they were doing it to be edgy and "different", i.e. "This isn't your father's Stargate! Look, sex!" ............Discovery doesn't need to be doing that.
Staments was fine. Personally I had more of a problem with the girl who's Burnham's roommate. "I've got social anxiety and I'm going to be captain someday!" Yeah, I don't care. What are you, 5? Go away.
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One quote doesn't change what the content of the episodes were and I'm pretty sure it clearly wasn't a social issue a day. it was far more science fiction that social issuey.
And I aint sayin when they did It that it wasn't deliberate, just saying it wasn't the thing every episode was based on nor does it seem the point was to tackle every social issue known to man.
You say that like they are mutually exclusive when one fits neatly inside the other when it comes to Star Trek.
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