I think we just need to accept the fact that this is a full reboot.

[Delaware123]

Discovery hasn't shown repect for what's come before. More than that, it doesn't make sense within the existing prime universe. They could have found a way to make this take place after Voyager; that would have resolved my technology arguments. (That would also resolve the issues with unifoms and insignia, but that's a minor issue) If they could find a way in the story to explain the biological differences between these Klingons and Klingons of yore, they would get my acceptance in that area. As it stands now, the look for these Klingons doesn't make locical sense within the context of the Prime universe.

 

[Tuskin38]

Discovery hasn't shown repect for what's come before. More than that, it doesn't make sense within the existing prime universe. They could have found a way to make this take place after Voyager; that would have resolved my technology arguments. (That would also resolve the issues with unifoms and insignia, but that's a minor issue) If they could find a way in the story to explain the biological differences between these Klingons and Klingons of yore, they would get my acceptance in that area. As it stands now, the look for these Klingons doesn't make locical sense within the context of the Prime universe.

The Story fits fine with the rest of the franchise.

If you were to slap the TOS look onto the first two episodes it fits fine.

 

[Mad Jack Wolfe]

My headcanon is that ENT depicts a history that has been altered by the temporal cold war so the 'real' prime history is somewhat different.

I look at it as a really sketchy, overlong holonovel.

 

[Tuskin38]

I look at it as a really sketchy, overlong holonovel.

Riker (or was it Troi?) called the program historical.

 

[F. King Daniel]

I doubt they'll do that.

They already did, in the first DSC novel, Desperate Hours.

 

[Tuskin38]

They already did, in the first DSC novel, Desperate Hours.

And the novel isn't canon. They don't need to follow what it did.

 

[Longinus]

Riker (or was it Troi?) called the program historical.

Maybe it is 'historical' in the same sense as the Hollywood movies based on historical events are?

 

[Tuskin38]

Maybe it is 'historical' in the same sense as the Hollywood movies based on historical events are?

Either way only the final episode was a holoprogram, not the rest of the series, even though I wish some episodes were, they are not.

 

[Delaware123]

I'd even accept it if Q came in and said that he rearranged the universe because the old Klingons were boring him.

The Story fits fine with the rest of the franchise.

If you were to slap the TOS look onto the first two episodes it fits fine.

If you slap the TOS look on, that would work because the technology would be time-period appropriate and the Klingon's DNA would be substantially the same. The look affects the story and the timeline. We shouldn't have holographic Admirals walking around. We shouldn't have advanced monitors and androids on the bridge. It's like making a Civil War biopic and giving the soldiers camouflage because it looks more modern.

 

[Gonzo]

Discovery makes me appreciate ALL the efforts made to make NX-01 Enterprise look pre-TOS, from the submarine-inspired interior, to the uniforms, buttons on consoles, and even the hairstyles. The production team behind ENT had respect for TOS. Can't say the same for STD.

I wasn't a big fan of Enterprise, mainly due to the boring stories to be honest and the dull pace but what I can say is that a lot of thought went into making sure events and technologies lined up, for the most part anyway, it also helped that there was a big gap in time before TOS.

I just get the feeling from Discovery that they didn't even try after stating it was prime timeline and knowing that there was only a 10 year gap between it and TOS, it didn't really give them much leeway in technology and ship design if they wanted to stay on track with what was to come, which seems like madness to me.

I like what they have done with the Starfleet ships in terms of external overall design as they stay pretty true to what we would expect pre TOS with an understandable visual improvement due to it being 60 years since TOS was made.

What the hell they were thinking with the Klingons I just don't know, I would love to have been a fly on the wall when the scripts were being finalized and the designs agreed.

 

[Delaware123]

Ultimately, Discovery should be a period piece.

 

[Tuskin38]

Ultimately, Discovery should be a period piece.

No one (new) would watch it if it looked like the 1960s.

 

[Delaware123]

I look at it as a really sketchy, overlong holonovel.

I'd accept that in-cannon. Maybe we can bring in Dwight Schultz as Barkley.

 

[Mad Jack Wolfe]

Riker (or was it Troi?) called the program historical.

Loads of historical accounts are faulty. And not just "historical" accounts of a fictional future.

 

[MadeIndescribable]

The Klingons should be using D7's and Birds of Prey with maybe some old D5's.

I always found it funny how Starfleet has an unending array of Starship designs, but aliens are only ever allowed to have maybe two. Three tops.

unless there is an in-universe explanation as to why, then the entire prime timeline unravels.

The show runners have also said that everything will be explained throughout the course of the series.

And the novel isn't canon. They don't need to follow what it did.

They don't need to, but it was written in collaboration with the show's writers.

 

[Kane_Steel]

No one (new) would watch it if it looked like the 1960s.

Even the JJ Films were 60s-inspired in a lot of their look and designs. And the 2009 film was really popular with 'new' audiences.

IMO the 'retro-futuristic' aesthetic would have made this series stand out more than the generic sci-fi look STD went for.

A lot of the 'retro-futuristic' 60s designs would look great with modern effects and rendering.

 

[Gonzo]

I always found it funny how Starfleet has an unending array of Starship designs, but aliens are only ever allowed to have maybe two. Three tops.

The show runners have also said that everything will be explained throughout the course of the series.

They don't need to, but it was written in collaboration with the show's writers.

That was always mainly due to budget contraints, its only later on in ST:TNG that we started to see enemy fleets made up of many different classes of ships.

I would not go as far as to say unending Starfleet designs, pretty much all of them where just a saucer section with various numbers of nacelles in various configurations and an engineering section in between.

I always saw it as Starfleet constantly trying new ways of doing things whereas the Klingons designed their ships to do just one or two things really well and stuck with them.

The Klingon Bird of Prey is a great example of this, both ships are essentially identical except for size, the small B'rel was no bigger than the Defiant class, an excellent scout and effective in numbers, whereas the K'Vort was at least twice that size (sometimes much bigger still in ST:TNG) and therefore capable of more wide ranging duties.

If we consider the construction, maintenance and repair aspect of it the Klingon system is far better, fewer ship classes meant production could be fine tuned to speed up the construction of new ships and the maintenance of existing ones, it also simplified and reduced the number of spare parts required to support a fleet.

 

[Gonzo]

Even the JJ Films were 60s-inspired in a lot of their look and designs. And the 2009 film was really popular with 'new' audiences.

IMO the 'retro-futuristic' aesthetic would have made this series stand out more than the generic sci-fi look STD went for.

A lot of the 'retro-futuristic' 60s designs would look great with modern effects and rendering.

The producers did one thing at the beginning of the Star Trek 2009 process which made everything easier, they acknowledged that it would have to be a reboot so that they could be free to make the film they wanted to, then they came up with a story explaining how that could be.

Even then they kept much of the technology similar to TOS for the most part showing that they were paying attention to what came before even though they didn't have to, we have only had two episodes of STD and they have already shown us far more Starfleet technology advancements than the films and they were a true reboot, not to mention the Klingon ships and new facial features which seem to have been added for god knows what reason when there was no real need to do so after telling us its prime timeline.

 

[Sarek@Vulcan]

It's a reboot, they should have said that. i just see it as parallel timeline show. In 50 years from now this show will look ridiculous because how technology will advance.

 

[MadeIndescribable]

The one thing I don't get in the Discovery canon argument is that no-one ever brings up other inaccuracies. In Voyager it's stated that you can only ever travel at warp in a straight line, yet there have been multiple occasions of starships turning and altering course throughout Trek...